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About the Latest Version The latest version of the Kindle for Mac reading app is compatible with the following devices. Version 1.11x Kindle for Mac can only be used on any Apple Macintosh computer running Max OS X 10.9.5 or higher. But in fact, 1.11 was built in 2012, back when 10.9 was barely even in development, much less in its fifth public update release, and the Info.plist still says that it compatible with 10.6. So either the web page is completely wrong and 1.11 isn't new, or the web page is right and somebody failed to update the copyright date and a bunch of other stuff. Either way, somebody at Amazon screwed up. Either way, it didn't fix the crash. |
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* * * Amazon KDP's Technical Team is investigating and said I'll hear from them by Thursday, March 5 (one week from today). I'm focusing my attention on Last Mulligan for now, but all four of my recently updated e-books have auto-hyphenation and body text/headings that are darker than in previous editions. I even re-uploaded the original (October 2014) Kindlegen-created mobi file. That version was fine before but now has the same issues. As far as I know, these oddities show up only on the Fire HD6. But when I download the KDP-converted file directly from KDP and sideload on my Fire, everything looks fine (no extra hyphens or too-dark text). It's so weird! Here is the KF8 stylesheet (CSS) for LM as it is now. Within the last week or two, I've tried many other things, but those changes didn't seem to make any difference either. I'm open to suggestions! I didn't include some parts of that CSS below because (1) this post is already so long and (2) there's nothing suspect in that code (such as bold or font specifications not seen in other parts). Quote:
And here is what's at the top of each HTML section. Nothing has changed in that part of my epubs since these e-books were originally published. My files validate at IDPF as EPUB 2.0. Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="no"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> Personally, I wouldn't mind auto-hyphenation if the software didn't hyphenate after two letters or hyphenate proper names and already-hyphenated words. It does seem to break the words properly otherwise (between syllables) in my books. I would appreciate knowing if anyone notices something in the above code that could be causing:
Also, does anyone see auto-hyphenation in the Last Mulligan sample on their Kindle Paperwhite, Voyage, or other KF8 ereader? That may be important to know. You may need to increase font size in order to see. On my Fire HD6, it's most evident using Bookerly font, but the hyphens are there with other device fonts, too. Thanks so much for your interest and assistance thus far! I'll let you know if I make any progress. Last edited by DreamWriter; 02-26-2015 at 12:02 PM. |
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UPDATE: no optional/soft hyphens whatsoever on the Voyage. Here's a question: Are the SAMPLE and the bought-book the same? Hitch |
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The mystery continues... There's auto-hyphenation on the Fire HDX 8.9, too?
The book that's mentioned in the quoted post below, The Tube Riders (The Tube Riders Trilogy #1), is free right now, in case anyone wants to check it for auto-hyphenation and darker text. I do see both issues in that book on my Fire HD6, just like in my books. From the Fire OS 4.5.3 Update thread. (My reply is in that thread here.) Quote:
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The sample you have is probably from several days ago. The current version is showing the updated fonts in the downloaded sample. There are no embedded fonts now, and no Fonts folder in the epub. Quote:
I'll think about the bold-italic thing. The HTML's always been that way in the past, but maybe KDP processes that tag differently now. Who knows? Edited to Add: Upon further reflection, I don't think that bold-italic <span> has anything to do with the problems. There are no similar tags in any of my other books, and they're displaying the same auto-hyphenation and darker fonts. Quote:
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I did, however, purchase my other three e-books years ago. A week or so ago, after I discovered these issues, I had CS push the latest versions of those e-books to my Fire HD6. All have the same problems in both bought-books and samples (remember, I also updated those three books within the last few weeks). They were also fine before. Last edited by DreamWriter; 02-26-2015 at 04:05 PM. |
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Obviously, I can't know what version of the sample I have; I dl'ed it this morning. OTOH, it's entirely possible that Amazon pushed the same sample to my Voyage as they did the Fire, mind you. That, too, is problematic. Quote:
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Simple proof that it's firmware not book code :rotate the reader
in landscape,with mulligan sample,I then see different words being split. kf HDX 8.9. I see this only for this one sample and for the tube riders book cited in other thread |
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With that same sample. Hyphenation persists across all options : font, font size line spacing, I confirm 4.5.3 installed.
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On my Fire HD6 and Kindle App for Android (tablet), the current sample's heading is Helvetica/sans-serif, and the body text is serif...as I intended. "Publisher font" isn't even showing as an option on my Fire HD6 for my books (and others I just checked), which is odd since I could swear it's been there before! Quote:
And I see the same problems in The Tube Riders (The Tube Riders Trilogy #1) (mentioned up-thread), which I "purchased" this afternoon since it's free today. I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect that author may have just republished the book (originally published January 2014) since "Try A Free Sample" is currently missing on the product page. I've had the same thing happen about 2-1/2 to 3 hours after hitting the publish button at KDP each of the last four days. Each time, my sample has been unavailable for up to 8 hours! I've reported that glitch to KDP several times, so they're aware of it. Last edited by DreamWriter; 02-26-2015 at 06:20 PM. |
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I don't know exactly how long this has been an issue. I first noticed it when I uploaded four revised e-books (back matter changes) to KDP starting February 14. I've combed through the HTML, changed CSS, and uploaded numerous epub/Kindlegen-created mobi files since then in futile attempts to remedy the problems. Nothing's helped, which makes me think the issue's on KDP's end, probably in the later stages of file processing. The previously published versions of these e-books were fine. And strangely, when I sideload the mobi file downloaded directly from KDP (after they convert the epub I uploaded), everything looks fine on the HD6...no extra hyphens, full justification with no ragged-right lines at all, and crisp text that's not too dark! So far, it appears that auto-hyphenation is on the Fire HD6 and HDX 8.9. Also, text in the affected books is darker than it used to be on the HD6. There is no auto-hyphenation on the original Fire HD7 (not sure about later models?), Kindle for Android App, and Voyage (although Voyage may be displaying some weird font issues). I'm not sure about the other Fire/Kindle devices or iOS apps. Last edited by DreamWriter; 02-26-2015 at 07:36 PM. |
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I believe this has been established, but the Last Mulligan sample does show hyphenation on my HD6 (FireOS 4.5.3). But honestly, it looks good to me, the breaks all seem to be in the right place.
It is a bit mind-altering, as I've been reading ebooks exclusively for 5 or 6 years now, almost all on Kindle platform, and I'm not used to it. But it has only been a few minutes. I also see hyphenation in another book mentioned on another thread here, The Tube Riders v1 (free). No hyphenation in Kindle for iOS, Kindle for Android, or Paperwhite 1. No, I like it! No rivers! Now I want to know how it is done... Last edited by tomsem; 02-27-2015 at 01:56 AM. |
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>dreamwriter. tried to PM you but you are not accepting. '[d started a thread here which quotes code from tube riders
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=256541. i thought that all the inline styles therein might be a factor, but when i check your mulligan sample your code is very clean simple <p> tags. so rule that out also. I was hoping someone would reply to that thread with a way of checking for hidden soft hyphens embedded but no joy yet FYI in kindle for PC your sample is well behaved, as was tube riders except for a ragged right edge. it seems right justified give or take a character or two, i.e. almost right justified but imperfect.. checking older books in same software, that ragged edge seems to apply to all books though. |
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perhaps we can all agree:
1, if Amazon add a feature like this that alters the reading experience, they shoudl announce it, not sneak it in 2. it should come with an on-off setting in reader preferences I too would like to know how it has been done, my suspicion is that it is something in the kindlegen or whatever software that preps the books for final publication, combined with something in OS 4.5.3.it seems to be outwith at least one upset author's control , & my peeking at code in two of the affected books has not produced any new clues. { tube riders has a minimal css file - see below- just size and margin; and long in-line style declarations in every p tag. but nothing that mentions hyphenation } Code:
css @page Section1 { size: 595.25pt 841.85pt; margin: 99.25pt 85.05pt 85.05pt; } div.Section1 { page: Section1; } inline <p style="margin:0.00% 0.00%; text-indent:1.5em; text-align:justify; widows:0; orphans:0"><span style=" font-size:1.0rem">‘Dan!’ Paul shouted.</span></p> I think we will find that it is device independent as more folks report in. AFAIK the stores download the same book to all AZW capable devices, and I would also assume that .uk and .com stores serve up identical files Last edited by cybmole; 02-27-2015 at 02:13 AM. |
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Can you confirm that the text for Last Mulligan looks darker than other books on your HD6 because that's another unexplained problem that's cropped up in all my recent uploads! Other books I've checked still have crisp fonts, as mine did before. Since I see both auto-hyphens and darker text in The Tube Riders v1, as I do in my four recently republished books, I think the two problems may have the same root cause. Auto-hyphenation is most visible at larger font sizes on the Fire HD6, and the number (and location of word breaks) depends on the reader-chosen font, too. If the software wouldn't make less-than-ideal choices, such as hyphenating after two letters too often, proper names, and already-hyphenated compound words, I wouldn't mind it myself. Some readers are gonna hate it, though. At least it's properly breaking words at syllables in my own e-books. Quote:
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I first noticed auto-hyphens and darker text in all four of my books after I republished them at KDP starting on February 14. Last week, I even re-uploaded the original version of Last Mulligan, published in October 2014. It was affected now, too, whereas it was just fine before! I've also sideloaded the file I can download from KDP after its initial conversion there, and everything looks perfect on my Fire HD6! I don't see anything in my code that should cause these problems. I'm not an expert, but I'm not a newbie either. I can say, without a doubt, that this was happening with 4.5.2 on the Fire HD6. I was hoping that the very recent software update to 4.5.3 would fix the problem, but it didn't. At this point, I believe there's something going on in the later stages of file processing at KDP. They're investigating my issues and have stated they will get back to me within the next week. Last edited by DreamWriter; 02-27-2015 at 04:47 AM. |
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