09-08-2013, 10:55 PM | #16 |
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Please don't blame the instructors. We don't receive any kickbacks from the publisher/bookstore, and we would LOVE to save you money so long as we can maintain the quality of your education.
The publishers will only supply the newest edition to our college bookstore, so if there are not enough used copies in-stock, we are required to select the newest edition. I've attempted to have the course readings (all public domain) hosted online only to be told by the college administration that I must select a textbook from a pre-approved list--a textbook containing the exact same public domain essays that I wanted to host online. |
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There must be some people inside the community and outside the college willing and able to make a stink about it. |
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09-09-2013, 07:39 PM | #19 | |
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I am sure the administrators have good motives, but good bookstore revenue probably makes them look good on the annual report. Helen |
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09-09-2013, 08:34 PM | #20 |
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Five of the eighteen largest US universities, including the two with the biggest enrollment, are now for-profit. I fear those may have bought into the idea that maximizing shareholder value is the real corporate mission, and wonder if some of the horror stories have to do with those sorts of schools.
I'm also wondering about the 650 US college bookstores operated by Barnes and Noble. Do schools with those still have a financial incentive for students to patronize the college bookstore? |
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09-10-2013, 08:18 AM | #22 |
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Is it just me who notices certain parallels between the two cost-spiraling industries? Doctors/Teachers do not get to choose what meds/books are to be purchased by patients/students but it is a central body above them, so the middlemen go directly to lobby the central body in order to get their texts selected, and since the hospitals/universities are isolated from the effects of the choices, there is no cost-saving incentive but obscure settlements between big pharma/big publishers and the central bodies.
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09-10-2013, 08:23 AM | #23 |
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When I graduated in 2002 the price of textbooks was ridiculous. It's doubled since then?
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09-10-2013, 12:36 PM | #24 | |
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09-10-2013, 01:22 PM | #25 | |
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Quite frankly though, I doubt that there is collusion between pharma/publishers and those central bodies. That's particularly true for education. Simply put, publishers benefit from the education system but the education system does not benefit from publishers (indeed, publishers are more of a burden). |
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09-10-2013, 01:26 PM | #26 |
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It all seems also connected to today's corporate need for ever accelerating profit growth. As in "year-over- year" increases are now the requirement - profit GROWTH must always accelerate mere profit is'now considered a failure. For my feeble mind that is why the economy of the whole planet has to eventually collapse under it's own weight. Very sad to see it expanded to education.
I would be interested to see the same look where other levels of education have been privatized. My guess is either the prices increase in similar amounts either via taxes or tuition How long before the force of funding colleges through the back door of football advertizing revenue is dropped for Walmart, McDonalds &whatever start hanging logos out onthe front lawns at every level of edu-ma-cation. won't even go into how to increases in healthcare correlate to increased health insurance and privitazaton of hospitals or "medical" groups here in the US. |
09-11-2013, 07:56 AM | #27 |
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Here is a link to the PDF of an almost 10 years old report by the California Student Public Interest Research Group. Sadly, nothing has changed (if not for the worse). The report determined that textbook publishers drive up the cost of textbooks by such practices as "bundling" text with materials that are seldom if ever used, and forcing cheaper used books off the market by publishing revist editions with little enhanced content (sometimes they simply alter the book format and page numbers). Some interesting quotes:
Source: Rip-off 101: How the Current Practices of the Publishing Industry Drive up the Cost of College Textbooks |
09-11-2013, 09:48 AM | #28 | |
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Nobody has shown any evidence that college bookstores are there to make a large profit for the school's bottom line. If that were the case, how could they compete with private booksellers? I get tired of baseless accusations implying that these institutions are out to get you. Depending on your career goals they may not always be a great value, but I can assure you they can almost always justify every dollar they collect, because when they can't it becomes a major news story. The focus here needs to remain on the publishers. They are the ones driving up textbook prices, which is the topic of discussion here. |
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09-11-2013, 09:42 PM | #29 | |
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This next evidence is five years old, and perhaps the situation described is improving, but it is pretty strong evidence that even a non-profit state school can be corrupt when it comes to textbooks: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121565135185141235.html Compared to basing financial aid on extra-curricular activity participation, the custom book racket is minor, but it still is, to me, corruption. Having said that, when it comes to textbooks, I would agree that there are lots of non-corrupt schools. My kids have not experienced the worst practices described in this thread. |
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09-12-2013, 10:09 AM | #30 | |
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And for the record, if you're looking for sympathy about athletes not getting a full free ride though college, you're not going to get it from me. That is way off topic here, so I won't go into it further. |
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