11-09-2012, 03:48 PM | #256 | |
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Is this unnecessarily harsh to Mary? i don't think so. If her neighbor gave to her the keys to his house, and she left them where Bill can take them an rob the neigbor, Mary has a responsibility in the robbing. That said, the monstrous punishments that media companies now ask for "pirates" would be useless in presence of a system that actually allows identification of the source of illegally distributed files. If misbehaviour is really punished, most of the times, there's no need for "exemplary punishments" to scare people: a reasonable fine should suffice. |
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11-09-2012, 03:53 PM | #257 | |
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If such a scheme worked, it would change things, and make it more worthwhile to write a virus that grabbed other people's media. Note that viruses aren't necessarily difficult to write. About 10 years ago, I saw a virus writing kit that made creating a virus literally a point-and-click operation. |
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11-09-2012, 04:04 PM | #259 |
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Uploaders currently don't make a profit, but it's apparently worth the effort to them. If the torrent sites can't get populated the way they currently are, people will probably look for new ways to do it. I've suggested one way, there are probably others.
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If you have to write and debug efficient malicious code and perform criminal actions to get the files to upload, it seems unlikely to me that many people will continue doing that for "fun"... |
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11-09-2012, 04:19 PM | #261 | |
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11-09-2012, 04:27 PM | #262 | ||
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I'm interested in hearing the part of your plan that specifies what content providers (or someone, anyway) will be required to do to educate people like Mary about piracy and how to keep their purchases from being stolen. Surely that is in there somewhere, yes? Because otherwise you're holding people responsible for not knowing things they weren't given the opportunity to know. Quote:
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11-09-2012, 04:38 PM | #264 | |
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Moreover, that the casual "media pirates" of today will become smart hackers and successful criminal entrepreneurs just because they have difficulties getting media files to upload does make little sense, in my view. On a side note: I don't understand the point you are trying to make. I am trying to explore (with the help of the MobileRead community) the possibility of devising a "social DRM" system that: (i) lets people be the owners (not the licensees) of their media files; (ii) makes illegal distribution of files more difficult. Are you saying that this is a bad thing? Why? |
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As the digital part of people's lives becomes more and more important, we need to get educated about how to manage it without harming ourselves and other people. Maybe part of this could be taught in schools, but mostly education in civil behaviour comes from one's own family (and society in general). In particular, we have to learn that our (and other people's) data are "valuables", and that we have to treat them as such. Just as I don't leave the door of my home open, I don't give to people I don't fully trust read permissions on data that are important to me or to others. It's easy and quick to do. If I give my PC to some technician or acquaintance to be fixed, I can protect my media library with a password, or temporarily move it elsewhere, so that there will be nothing to "steal". Would you give a piece of your furniture to a repairman without removing from it the keys and documents you keep in the drawer? You are right: it's a problem of education. But it's general, not related to DRM or media or piracy. |
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... Last month, I was robbed. Someone grabbed my purse and ran with it. That included my ereader. (I'm going a bit buggy reading on a computer screen.) Under your system, I'd be liable for prosecution if those books get uploaded somewhere. I did report the crime to the police. I did not give them a list of books. I don't have one. There were a couple hundred ebooks on the device. Some people, in similar situations, would not report the theft to the police... if someone stole my ereader from my backpack, it might be days or weeks before I noticed it. Quote:
The fact is: if the file is editable by the user, *any* metadata attached to it is removable. Add user info, and the DRM-stripping programs will be expanded to remove those details. It's possible to add identifying info--invisible watermarks--to non-DRM'd books, but that means running code at the time of sale or download, with personalized user info... there's expense in setting up such a system, and probably OS compatibility issues. Such options won't be available for small companies. Large ones, as we've seen, will insist on all the restrictions they can legally shove into an ebook, and possibly a few more that may get challenged in court. Additional hassles: the law change you're suggesting is only going to work in one country. If the original buyer's not in that jurisdiction, the law will be irrelevant. |
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Not sure where all this education could come from. People don't read manuals. They don't read user agreements. Laws and regulations can be enacted, but you cannot make people do anything - even if it is in their own best interests - if they refuse to listen. This covers every facet of modern life.
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