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Old 03-12-2012, 12:54 PM   #361
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Forbes has the story here. Has Paypal been been caught in a big ol' lie? Marvelous.
Off topic a bit, but that IS Hunter S. Thompson, right? I wonder what he would have thought of this stuff.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:47 PM   #362
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And just like that, we are at censorship again. *sigh* It's rather painful to think of. I hope that ebook companies are looking into removing Paypal from their list of vendors.
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:02 PM   #363
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Take a breather, folks. Enjoy some artwork from the National Gallery in London.

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Old 03-12-2012, 02:06 PM   #364
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I see wings! Bestiality! Bestiality on MR! Call the PP Secret Police!
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:52 PM   #365
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I see wings! Bestiality! Bestiality on MR! Call the PP Secret Police!
Are we even allowed to say PP?
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #366
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Why exactly are Smashwords allowed to censor authors, again?
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:16 PM   #367
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Why exactly are Smashwords allowed to censor authors, again?
I don't think this discussion has ever been about what someone may or may not be "allowed" to do... despite several serious attempts to make it so.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:27 PM   #368
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[T]he sale of a limited category of extreme imagery depicting rape, bestiality and child pornography is or is very likely to be unlawful in many places and would be prohibited on the Visa system whether or not the images have formally been held to be illegal in any particular country.
Would it be possible for Smashwords to geo restrict content that is deemed illegal from those residing in such countries?
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:25 PM   #369
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Why exactly are Smashwords allowed to censor authors, again?
Because they are a business and businesses in a free society can choose who they do or do not do business with?

The authors, too.. can choose.
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:21 PM   #370
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Why exactly are Smashwords allowed to censor authors, again?
Because they're a business in a freemarket, who can decide how they can use their resources. I've always said the internet is like a dictatorship, you can have a benevolent dictator, but it doesn't change the fact that you're entirely at the mercy of their whim.

Smashwords can decide what files to host on their servers, and their payment processor can decide what payments to allow, and their bandwidth provider can determine how much or when it gets used. We cannot change what Smashwords does, just like they cannot change what their payment processor does, or their service provider. If someone else goes "I don't want to do business with people who read", you kinda have to respect their wishes, because you can't do anything about it.

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Old 03-12-2012, 06:08 PM   #371
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Paypal is owned by eBay. If you're unhappy with the Paypal stance you can always let them know at their Head Office phone number, (408) 376-7400, which is a matter of public record here.

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Old 03-12-2012, 06:18 PM   #372
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https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2012/0...rtain-erotica/
All the BEST porn, as you know, is properly viewed in e-ink.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:13 PM   #373
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:04 PM   #374
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Has Paypal been been caught in a big ol' lie? Marvelous.
Paypal never said that they were following Visa or any other CC company's requirements. That was speculation by others, notably Mark Coker (Smashwords' CEO).

Visa's statement is fully consistent with Paypal's statement today, again https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2012/0...rtain-erotica/
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Because they are a business and businesses in a free society can choose who they do or do not do business with?

The authors, too.. can choose.
The problem is that pressure groups decide what those "free businesses" are allowed to support or even tolerate.
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