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And some literature works the same way on the mind.
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I'm not sure that I get your point either - could you stoop to making it plainly? If your point is that there is no room for true art because everything is commercialised, I think that the opposite is true - i.e. that there is more opportunity now than there ever has been for artists to create and share their work. |
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As so often happens, commercialization is automatically painted as "crass," "dirty," "beneath us." I disagree: Thanks to commercialization, we live in a society where literature can be disseminated throughout the world in mere seconds.
Also, there are nearly 7 billion people on this planet. Therefore there's no point to trying to qualify literature or art, as those things are different for every person on the planet. Shakespeare was working to earn a living. He wasn't trying to elevate Human Consciousness... he was trying to entertain a paying audience. There's no shame in that, nor is there for me, if I so choose to earn the same living. Whether my work is as good as his is immaterial... some would like his work best, and some would like mine. So... what? Writing is writing. Literature is literature. Books is books. Clams have legs. The peasants are revolting. Soylent Green is people. The quality of mercy is not strained peas. I'm strong to the finish, 'cause I eats my spinach. Burma! Oh, and the sundae for dessert, please. |
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Define art scientifically? Only to the extent that it defines an initial electro-chemical process that it triggers in the brain, much like any other sensory input. But again, as every person is different, the results of that trigger--the resultant electro-chemical processes in the brain--will not be the same in any two people. So any definition can only be given in the very abstract, the potential but not the specific: A process that initiates other processes.
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Our experience of everything is different from person to person - vision, for example. That doesn't mean that you can't study them scientifically - because we are more similar than we are different. That's not to say that science is the only valid way of talking about such things - even if we did understand the way we respond to food, for example, it wouldn't be the most appropriate way of talking about what we enjoy eating. My point was really that there's no magic woo involved in art, and understanding how it works seems to me a valuable exercise.
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