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Yes - what's called the Myth of Er. It's that that the early Church liked so much, because it puts forward the idea of the existence of the soul after death, and that good deeds are rewarded, and bad deeds punished. But it's philosophical rather than religious in nature - there are no gods involved.
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09-28-2010, 02:59 AM | #51 |
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i'm not sure forums are really the most productive place for arguments like that, even tho people engage in them online for a variety of reasons (not least of all, simple boredom). Yea sometimes you might learn a thing or two, but at what cost? We can learn much more from, well, reading books.
On a similar vein, someone said in the news recently that democracy (and I suppose it applies to internet democracy on forums) enables people to gain as much knowledge as they want -- or remain as ignorant as they want. On the forums, the outcome is often constrained by who has happened to show up to fight that day. At least in the real world you can go out and find your own audience. |
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Also I think it is a conflict in the ways you decide to hold things true. For religion (Catholicism) you can hold thing true using methods that you would not accept in your activity as a scientist. To me this has always been the big conflict. How to motivate the difference in standard. |
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Can you give some example from The God Delusion about the things you are talking about? I really cannot remember anything to be upset by. |
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Well, the traditional counter argument is Plato's Euthyphro dilemma: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?"
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Thanks for the link, Kenny. Looking forward to downing tools for the night and studying that. Very best. Neil
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Both lots of scientists are concerned with the unprovable, but neither type of scientist is - to return to the topic of the thread. |
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Witness this guy: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2..._a_science.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar You can download all his books for free-- here's the link to the first one: http://e-library.net/ATLAS-OF-CREATI...isit11689.html |
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