09-08-2011, 07:07 AM | #1 |
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Geneology Question... I need help!
I know that the children of my aunt or uncle are my "First Cousins."
A. What are my cousin's children in relation to me? B. What is my son in relationship to my first cousins? C. What are my cousin's children in relationship to my son? Second cousins? First cousins, twice removed? Grand Duchess of Fenwick? Any help would be appreciated. I just met (via Facebook) the 35-year old daughter of my first cousin (whom I lost track of 40 years ago and just re-established contact) who wants to contact my son. I'd love to know what to classify them as! Anybody really 'know' about this stuff? Thanks Stitchawl |
09-08-2011, 07:52 AM | #2 |
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I hope I'm right but here goes.
The children of your first cousins are your first cousins once removed Your son and your first cousins children are second cousins. I'm open to correction. Mag. |
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09-08-2011, 08:11 AM | #3 | |
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Let's see if there are any other responses. Stitchawl |
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But, since I guess you are more interested in the English terms, wikipedia has a nice article about this. |
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09-08-2011, 09:57 AM | #5 | |
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B. Their first cousin once removed. C. His second cousins. First cousins (usually just "cousins") share a grandparent. Second cousins share a great grandparent. Third cousins share a great great grandparent. The tricky bit is when the relationship to be described is between different generations. The way it's done is to look at the common ancestor, and take the closest relation to the common ancestor. The 'removed' counts the generational difference Since the common ancestor of your son and your cousin is your son's great grandparent, and your cousin's grandparent, they are first cousins. Since they are separated by one generation, they are first cousins once removed. Unlike for Aunt/Uncle/Nephew/Niece, there isn't a different description of the relationship that depends on the sex of the people involved, nor on the direction of the generational difference. Your cousin's children are your first cousins once removed, and you are their first cousin once removed as well. |
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09-08-2011, 10:05 AM | #6 |
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OK... looks as if we've got some knowledgeable people in this forum!
MaggieMay and pdurrant seem to agree. pdurrant speaks with certainty about the way it all works... Almost simple when it's explained to me. Almost. At least I can now tell my son to contact his second cousin! Thanks, folks. I appreciate it! Stitchawl |
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A | ——————————————— B1 B2 | | _________ _________ C1 C2 C3 C4 | | _____ _____ D1 D2 D3 D4 But with the new nomenclature, D1 would be C3's second niece, and C3 would be D1's second uncle. of course, there is a reason English doesn't have non-generic terms for those relationships: It's rare for any Englishman to actually know his second cousin once removed, or need to specify the relationship. |
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09-08-2011, 01:53 PM | #8 |
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I found an explanation of it somewhere when I was putting together my own family tree (that Ancestry app for iPad is evil, I am telling y'all...). But it looks like pdurrant has the same answers that I found.
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A. What are my cousin's children in relation to me?
your 2nd cousins B. What is my son in relationship to my first cousins? their 2nd cousin C. What are my cousin's children in relationship to my son? 1st cousins. |
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09-12-2011, 05:54 PM | #13 |
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No. Being the same generation just means that there's no 'removed' in their relationship description. Since their nearest common ancestor is their great grandparents, they are 2nd cousins.
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Another confusing thing in relationship terminology is that a great-aunt or uncle is a generation closer to the child in question than a great-grandmother/father is. There could be a good argument for changing to grand-aunt or uncle, to be the same as grandmother/father. |
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