Ermine + Market = Allmine - Page 8

stevesr0 · 10-13-2011, 04:01 PM

To ptsenter -

You are correct - you weren't clear enough.

I will still bump the thread I mentioned in case the links are useful to some readers.

tarvoke · 10-13-2011, 04:14 PM

hi stevesr0 - when you said "make a phone call with google talk" - I assumed you meant google voice.

but if I read that wrong (if so, sorry) and you did mean gtalk: gtalk/gchat on android doesn't support the calling feature afaik. the only things I've seen that can do that are gmail's web interface (and it requires a platform-specific plugin), and pidgin client for linux (which can receive calls but not make them; pidgin for windows can't even do that just yet.) and probably a couple other desktop xmpp clients (e.g. various pidgin branches/forks)

cajunseo · 10-13-2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesmithfl

Just a quick note of sincere thanks! Just recently got 2 woot special PE's. Kept one at original 1.6 Dingo, but am messing around with the other one. I tried your Allmine latest update and it was _so_smooth_ ! Everything worked just as described and I had not problems other than anxiety... It's late for me now and got an early rise tomorrow, but did want to say thanks to all of you that paved the path before I got here. In the famous words of some old movie star - I'll be back. (to see what's up and let you know if things are still working fine)

As bad as I want to I'm afraid that I'm not confident enough of my abilities to try the Allmine updates. I wish I knew someone who was local who would do it for me. I so want access to the Market. I think it would solve most of the issues that I have with the PE.

ptsenter · 10-13-2011, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cajunseo

I so want access to the Market.

http://androiddev.orkitra.com/

gives you a full unadulterated access to the Market without any restrictions based on abilities of your phone or whatever.

Better yet:
http://androiddev.orkitra.com/download/apps/

Quote:

I think it would solve most of the issues that I have with the PE.

No, it won't. Well, depending on your definition of issues.

stevesr0 · 10-13-2011, 05:12 PM

I am an old perennial nooby I am afraid, Tarvoke. I have chat and talk with voice and video on my Linux computer, so I assumed that talk was a telephone service available on android as well. Looking around, I see that it is available on some 2.3.3 devices only.

One of the old posts (in the archive did mention using google voice to make calls; it sounded very complex involving a pbx program (this was posted by cheyennedonna).

Others have mentioned Nettalk (mokkel 22 back in July of this year), and fring.

Sorry for confusion.

I would be happy with any working phone program. I wondered if the Allmine fix would facilitate/support telephone function. But I don't know that there is any reason it would impact on that.

Thanks for reply.

stevesr0 · 10-13-2011, 05:17 PM

Final qustion -

I downloaded google voice onto an android emulator and was going to sideload the apk onto the PE from there, but I don't see a recognizable googlevoice apk file!

I don't think I want to move it now after these conversations, but I am curious why the Market install didn't produce a googlevoice.apk file on the emulator.

tarvoke · 10-13-2011, 06:20 PM

dumb question: did you look in /data/app rather than /system/app? I'm pretty sure gvoice installs as a user application. also I had to update gvoice to latest version before the setup wizard would finish without crashing (but if you have the latest from market in your emulator, should be fine...)

(and yes the way to get it all working is annoying and a little roundabout and on top of it still requires having an actual north america number tied to a SIP account - which previously could be done for free, but now is also irritating...)

also, the more I hang out here, the more I find out I'm the noob! ha. everyone suspected that eventually google will integrate voice, chat and gmail more and more into one, but I had no idea the gtalk for android was starting to support it - trying it out now on my other phone that has 2.3.5 on it, although no luck so far.

jfgirl · 10-14-2011, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktwombley

Glad to hear it!

One thing, though! Once you get it set up on your PE, you can access it via the web without issue

Thanks! I will try it again and let you know the outcome.

aluraread · 10-14-2011, 03:11 AM

Steversr0, I'd personally hoped google voice would work after allmine since I use it for my house pghone on my netbook, tried the latest skype via the link to orkitra that ptsenter posted *THANX for that* doesn;t work.However nettalk 3.2.1 DOES work if you can handle the 30 min per call restriction it's a workable solution

ktwombley · 10-14-2011, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevesr0

I am an old perennial nooby I am afraid, Tarvoke. I have chat and talk with voice and video on my Linux computer, so I assumed that talk was a telephone service available on android as well. Looking around, I see that it is available on some 2.3.3 devices only.

One of the old posts (in the archive did mention using google voice to make calls; it sounded very complex involving a pbx program (this was posted by cheyennedonna).

Others have mentioned Nettalk (mokkel 22 back in July of this year), and fring.

Sorry for confusion.

I would be happy with any working phone program. I wondered if the Allmine fix would facilitate/support telephone function. But I don't know that there is any reason it would impact on that.

Thanks for reply.

Unfortunately Allmine won't help you with telephony support on your PE.

Google Voice, when used to make calls on an android phone, actually works via making a regular phone call to google, and then google calls your target for you. It just doesn't look like a phone call in the UI. If you try using google voice to make a phone call on a device without a cellular radio (tablets, PE), it just won't work at all.

So what we need here is VOIP (Voice over IP, i.e. calling via data connection). And you are right that it requires a newer version of android.

Right now, I'm working on getting a kernel to compile for my PE. Once I can confirm that, I will try to make patches of entourage's additions to the kernel so they can be applied to newer kernel source.

Once my serial cable components arrive and I can dive into u-boot I'm going to start hacking on porting ClockworkMod recovery over. That will make ROM development so much easier.

Eventually, I hope to put out a bona fide ROM for the PE.

Until then, Allmine is just a collection of half-assed hacks.

Stay tuned!

JRANGER · 10-14-2011, 11:44 AM

Your the man..If there is anything I can help with let me know...I can google and beta test or do whatever..I learn on the fly fast

johnseeking · 10-17-2011, 08:16 AM

New bug? Documents-To-Go isn't working. Gives me an "unsupported device - passion" error message when I try to open or create a new document. Tried uninstalling & reinstalling through market. It doesn't think I have the full version anymore. Ideas?

vicinc · 10-17-2011, 08:27 AM

yes, use picsel office. much better

vldmr · 10-17-2011, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnseeking

New bug? Documents-To-Go isn't working. Gives me an "unsupported device - passion" error message when I try to open or create a new document. Tried uninstalling & reinstalling through market. It doesn't think I have the full version anymore. Ideas?

Hm, looks like DTG cares about different setting in build.properties.

Changed this:
ro.product.name=passion
to this:
ro.product.name=edgejr

using busybox vi and restarted - DTG agree to create new documents now. Market still seem to work. No further testing done

birdheh · 10-17-2011, 11:17 AM

I have begun to use GrooveIp to use my google voice phone on my PE. It has a bit of an echo, but it does add telephony to my Edge

10-14-2011, 03:11 AM	#114
aluraread Member Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: aluratek libre	Voice calling on PE Steversr0, I'd personally hoped google voice would work after allmine since I use it for my house pghone on my netbook, tried the latest skype via the link to orkitra that ptsenter posted THANX for that doesn;t work.However nettalk 3.2.1 DOES work if you can handle the 30 min per call restriction it's a workable solution

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10-13-2011, 04:01 PM	#106
stevesr0 Connoisseur Posts: 71 Karma: 1050 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Entourage Pocket Edge	To ptsenter - You are correct - you weren't clear enough. I will still bump the thread I mentioned in case the links are useful to some readers.

10-13-2011, 04:14 PM	#107
tarvoke Dog Dentist Posts: 108 Karma: 18 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: PE, GT540, VM670, GOGHVMU, Qualcomm 1600	hi stevesr0 - when you said "make a phone call with google talk" - I assumed you meant google voice. but if I read that wrong (if so, sorry) and you did mean gtalk: gtalk/gchat on android doesn't support the calling feature afaik. the only things I've seen that can do that are gmail's web interface (and it requires a platform-specific plugin), and pidgin client for linux (which can receive calls but not make them; pidgin for windows can't even do that just yet.) and probably a couple other desktop xmpp clients (e.g. various pidgin branches/forks)

10-13-2011, 05:12 PM	#110
stevesr0 Connoisseur Posts: 71 Karma: 1050 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Entourage Pocket Edge	I am an old perennial nooby I am afraid, Tarvoke. I have chat and talk with voice and video on my Linux computer, so I assumed that talk was a telephone service available on android as well. Looking around, I see that it is available on some 2.3.3 devices only. One of the old posts (in the archive did mention using google voice to make calls; it sounded very complex involving a pbx program (this was posted by cheyennedonna). Others have mentioned Nettalk (mokkel 22 back in July of this year), and fring. Sorry for confusion. I would be happy with any working phone program. I wondered if the Allmine fix would facilitate/support telephone function. But I don't know that there is any reason it would impact on that. Thanks for reply.

10-13-2011, 05:17 PM	#111
stevesr0 Connoisseur Posts: 71 Karma: 1050 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: Entourage Pocket Edge	Final qustion - I downloaded google voice onto an android emulator and was going to sideload the apk onto the PE from there, but I don't see a recognizable googlevoice apk file! I don't think I want to move it now after these conversations, but I am curious why the Market install didn't produce a googlevoice.apk file on the emulator.

10-13-2011, 06:20 PM	#112
tarvoke Dog Dentist Posts: 108 Karma: 18 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: PE, GT540, VM670, GOGHVMU, Qualcomm 1600	dumb question: did you look in /data/app rather than /system/app? I'm pretty sure gvoice installs as a user application. also I had to update gvoice to latest version before the setup wizard would finish without crashing (but if you have the latest from market in your emulator, should be fine...) (and yes the way to get it all working is annoying and a little roundabout and on top of it still requires having an actual north america number tied to a SIP account - which previously could be done for free, but now is also irritating...) also, the more I hang out here, the more I find out I'm the noob! ha. everyone suspected that eventually google will integrate voice, chat and gmail more and more into one, but I had no idea the gtalk for android was starting to support it - trying it out now on my other phone that has 2.3.5 on it, although no luck so far.

10-14-2011, 11:44 AM	#116
JRANGER Connoisseur Posts: 61 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: Edgejr	Your the man..If there is anything I can help with let me know...I can google and beta test or do whatever..I learn on the fly fast

10-17-2011, 08:16 AM	#117
johnseeking keeper of the cheese Posts: 69 Karma: 12 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Texas, USA Device: Nook Tablet (mine), 2nd Gen Kindle 3G (wife's), Literati (kids')	New bug? Documents-To-Go isn't working. Gives me an "unsupported device - passion" error message when I try to open or create a new document. Tried uninstalling & reinstalling through market. It doesn't think I have the full version anymore. Ideas?

10-17-2011, 08:27 AM	#118
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	yes, use picsel office. much better

10-17-2011, 11:17 AM	#120
birdheh Member Posts: 20 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: pocket entourage	I have begun to use GrooveIp to use my google voice phone on my PE. It has a bit of an echo, but it does add telephony to my Edge