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The default position is multibillion dollar media company = bad. I have never seen any evidence historically to refute this.
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Macmillan wants to price ebooks simultaneously with hardcovers at about 50% of the hardcover price (hardcovers typically have a list price between $25 and $30; Macmillan will be pricing ebooks between $12 and $15 on the date of release). |
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That's more than $9.99 unless I can't do math, it's flat out truth. List price means nothing anyway. I'm talking actual sale price. Besides it hasn't even happened, how do you know what they are going to do. Hell they are already talking about not even releasing the ebook til much later. Clearly they don't want their ebooks in libraries. What else? MacMillan is the BAD guy here. Not Amazon. Not Random House. Last edited by kennyc; 02-06-2010 at 08:51 PM. |
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Here's the exact quote from John Sargent: Quote:
1. Ebooks will not be sold at the same price as hardcovers. 2. There will be no windowing, except in rare instances. 3. The price of the ebooks will decrease over time. |
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Clearly I am. Clearly you have bought into it. |
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Ah, I see. We're basing this on speculation, rather than facts. I get it now.
I could just as easily say "How do you know Amazon won't just sell them at $9.99 anyway." But I forgot that we're trying make Macmillan look bad, regardless of reality. |
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But the fact is MacMillan is clearly doing everything it can to NOT SELL ebooks. That is very clear to me. And no you can't say that about Amazon if the Agency Model is in place because MacMillan will set the price not amazon. But I understand, you are doing everything you can to defend MacMillan, it's okay. Please feel free to try and convince me MacMillan is doing anything good for consumers or authors because they are not. They are only trying to force everyone around them to protect their dinosaur eggs. But you know what, it's not going to work, because the asteroid is coming.... Last edited by kennyc; 02-06-2010 at 09:51 PM. |
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I expect it'll be a cold day in heck before I buy a Random House book *new* again. Last edited by DawnFalcon; 02-06-2010 at 10:22 PM. |
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02-06-2010, 10:21 PM | #42 |
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I wonder if these agency agreements allow coupons or discounts to be applied. If yes, Amazon could circumvent the whole thing by offering ebook coupons or credits against future purchases similar to what fictionwise does with their credits.
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You're both speculating. That said....
Macmillan has minimal control over pricing at this time. Under ordinary circumstances, they set an ebook cover price and watch retailers slash the price; sometimes methodically, sometimes at random, sometimes not at all. E.g. Tor might price an ebook at $12, expecting Amazon to set the price at $10, and get castigated by readers for its cover pricing. I might add, reducing prices as demand falls is basic economics. There is absolutely no reason why a publisher would not reduce prices as time goes on, and the demand for a given title slows down. If they were completely insensible to economics, that's how they operated, they would never issue paperbacks. In fact, it's entirely possible that giving Macmillan more control over ebook pricing will actually encourage them to loosen up a bit. For example, they won't have to delay the release of an ebook release, as they ebook won't be priced so low as to utterly eviscerate hardcover sales. Quote:
Macmillan's job is to sell books, and that's about it. I'll leave it to you to decide if that is or is not "good for consumers." And what's Amazon's role? To defend consumers? To protect your rights? Hardly. A few weeks ago, plenty of people were castigating Amazon for trying to corner the ebook market, for using DRM, for not using ePub, for deleting books off of users' devices, and a whole host of other evils. I.e. Amazon's role here is nearly identical to Macmillan's. They both want to sell books, and they both want control over pricing. I for one don't view either side as "evil" or morally suspect on this basis, it's just the nature of the business. In a year or so, I doubt anyone other than top execs at publishers and retailers will even have a reason to care about all this mess. |
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Plus, it's bad business to say to your suppliers in one breath that you will abide by the contracts and honor their pricing demands, and then overtly refuse to do so. |
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Then there is a separate issue of different markets for the paperback and hardback versions of books. This is much more analogous to, say, Blu-Ray and DVD versions of a film than to changes within a single version of a product. One is considered a premium version... Last edited by DawnFalcon; 02-06-2010 at 11:36 PM. |
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