EPUB 3 support? - Page 2

cybmole · 07-12-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwidude

Well that is the difference between you and me - I unfortunately hit the first issue in particular on pretty much every epub I edit. And after the first few crashes the novelty wears off somewhat. After several hundred as I have had now you start trying to find ways of avoiding Sigil.

OR go back to version 0.4.2. !

That is very stable & probably has all the features you actually "need". I still use it - daily - with Windows 7 - & it never crashes, no matter what I try to do.

kiwidude · 07-12-2012, 12:36 PM

@cybmole - unfortunately 0.4.2 has its own share of issues & quirks inherited from earlier versions (though I completely agree that crashing was not one of them, and find/replace was definitely more reliable too). In particular its seemingly random intermittent tendency to lose content when merging files was the biggest and most dangerous bug that had me throwing things at the walls at times. This problem does appear to be fixed in 0.5.3, so along with other usability improvements meme was kind enough to make for me I don't want to give up the kool-aid and go backwards again.

Unfortunately it is my basic "done it thousands of times this way" epub editing technique which is causing me to hit that same Sigil bug in particular over and over again. Open the ePub. Open the stylesheet (since thats usually what I want to change). Double-click an html file (to either find the style name to change or a cruft file to remove). Right-click in the book browser to remove a cruft html file, and *boom* - Sigil crashes. Every. Frigging. Time.

You would think I could be trained out of it. And I have tried, honest. I've tried to remember to save first. I've tried to remember to remove files before doing anything else. But sooner or later I forget and of course it is always after the most extensive of unsaved changes that have to be endlessly repeated all over again.

I remember reading in a fiction book recently a mini-story about an experiment to do with frequency of dropping food down a tube to pigeons in response to them pecking a button. Some were being given food at regular intervals (e.g. every second press) and one was configured for a completely random number of presses. They then turned off the food tubes completely to see how long it would take the pigeons to learn that nothing more was coming. The pigeons that were getting food at regular press intervals gave up after a fairly small number of fruitless presses. However the pigeon that was getting food dispatched after a random number of presses pecked itself to death. I feel like that pigeon in my lack of ability to train myself around this bug.

meme · 07-12-2012, 02:04 PM

I'd be interested if anyone else can trigger the bug (bugs) Kiwidude mentioned - in 0.5.3 and also the 0.5.902 beta. Although it might have something to do with the code ' if (user == "kiwidude")... '

kiwidude · 07-12-2012, 02:21 PM

@meme - yeah it could be that line of code that does it

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I get the same crash on my work machine which is XP btw, so it isn't isolated just to my home 64-bit Win7 machine.

DiapDealer · 07-12-2012, 03:07 PM

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I'd be interested if anyone else can trigger the bug (bugs) Kiwidude mentioned - in 0.5.3 and also the 0.5.902 beta. Although it might have something to do with the code ' if (user == "kiwidude")... '

I can definitely reproduce the last issue he mentioned in his next-to-last post with 0.5.3 on Vista 32-bit:
Open epub ... open stylesheet ... double-click html file in book browser (opens in split view) ... right-click that html file in book browser ... select 'Remove'... click 'OK' ... see Sigil crash. Easily repeatable.

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07-12-2012, 12:36 PM	#17
kiwidude Calibre Plugins Developer Posts: 4,637 Karma: 2162064 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Oasis	@cybmole - unfortunately 0.4.2 has its own share of issues & quirks inherited from earlier versions (though I completely agree that crashing was not one of them, and find/replace was definitely more reliable too). In particular its seemingly random intermittent tendency to lose content when merging files was the biggest and most dangerous bug that had me throwing things at the walls at times. This problem does appear to be fixed in 0.5.3, so along with other usability improvements meme was kind enough to make for me I don't want to give up the kool-aid and go backwards again. Unfortunately it is my basic "done it thousands of times this way" epub editing technique which is causing me to hit that same Sigil bug in particular over and over again. Open the ePub. Open the stylesheet (since thats usually what I want to change). Double-click an html file (to either find the style name to change or a cruft file to remove). Right-click in the book browser to remove a cruft html file, and boom - Sigil crashes. Every. Frigging. Time. You would think I could be trained out of it. And I have tried, honest. I've tried to remember to save first. I've tried to remember to remove files before doing anything else. But sooner or later I forget and of course it is always after the most extensive of unsaved changes that have to be endlessly repeated all over again. I remember reading in a fiction book recently a mini-story about an experiment to do with frequency of dropping food down a tube to pigeons in response to them pecking a button. Some were being given food at regular intervals (e.g. every second press) and one was configured for a completely random number of presses. They then turned off the food tubes completely to see how long it would take the pigeons to learn that nothing more was coming. The pigeons that were getting food at regular press intervals gave up after a fairly small number of fruitless presses. However the pigeon that was getting food dispatched after a random number of presses pecked itself to death. I feel like that pigeon in my lack of ability to train myself around this bug.

07-12-2012, 02:04 PM	#18
meme Sigil developer Posts: 1,275 Karma: 1101600 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Device: Kindle PW, K4 NT, K3, Kobo Touch	I'd be interested if anyone else can trigger the bug (bugs) Kiwidude mentioned - in 0.5.3 and also the 0.5.902 beta. Although it might have something to do with the code ' if (user == "kiwidude")... '

07-12-2012, 02:21 PM	#19
kiwidude Calibre Plugins Developer Posts: 4,637 Karma: 2162064 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Oasis	@meme - yeah it could be that line of code that does it . I get the same crash on my work machine which is XP btw, so it isn't isolated just to my home 64-bit Win7 machine.