01-03-2008, 04:28 PM | #316 |
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Things that have been mentioner are for example donation models, pay afterward, pay for the next book, prenumerations, and so on. Also why think that just because you cannot think of something plausible now there will not be something that works very well in the future?
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01-03-2008, 04:30 PM | #317 |
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But in this case for the system we have now it is extremely good for reading since the can take more risks and publish more authors so in the system we have today the have done a very good job when they publish a bestseller and this is a good job for the reader also.
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Donations? Well, I don’t know how you earn your living, but I doubt that you live by donations. I am sure you expect a good payment for your efforts at work. So why do would you think an author or publisher should expect less?
If you want to read a book – pay for it or don’t read it. It’s simple and plain. If you want that bagel for breakfast, pay for it or simply only enjoy the view of it. But you certainly won't eat it and “donate” some coins to the baker. And likewise an author don’t want to receive donations but a payment for his work. Quote:
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01-03-2008, 05:36 PM | #319 |
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Alan, there's some doubt as to how much unauthorized distribution of commercially published ebooks is really going on. Most of what's being tossed about the darknet are scans of paper books, which people get because there are no commercial ebooks available for those titles. There is also some sharing of cracked DRM books, which some people get because they want to protect their investment after purchasing a DRM book, and some people get because they don't want to deal with a DRM book at all. But if non-DRM books in a common, feature-rich format (like ePub) were available for a wide range of titles at a reasonable price, I really do believe that the vast majority of customers would simply pay for them and download them from a legitimate site. It would be much, much easier than rummaging around on the darknet, not to mention safer. There are exceptions of course -- some people seem to feel no need to pay for anything, or don't think they should have to pay for niceties like editorial support or typesetting, and sure some people will let a friend or family member read a book they've bought, but I think the actual losses of sales through any of these means would be very small compared to the increase in revenue. Does it matter how many copies could theoretically be illegally distributed of an electronic title if sales go up overall? If I were managing a publishing operation, I'd be prepared to stake a chunk of my business on this premise.
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01-03-2008, 05:48 PM | #320 |
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I think all your comment assumes to much and are to much locked in in a thinking based on how it works today. If I want to read a book I often borrow it from a friend so you are trivially wrong in your statement above.
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Now the music industry goes around an begin to sue people for up- and sometimes even downloading music from P2P networks. Suddenly it becomes more and more dangerous do get music through those channels. And now sales on legitimate sites are going up constantly. People switch to legal ways. This is partly because of the danger to get sued and partly because even DRM music is easy to use these days (iTunes). Alan |
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If an ebook has been bought at fictionswise or mobipocket you can also borrow an ebook from friends or lend them some. They or you simply have to change the PIDs on the shop site the books were bought at. That's the legal way. It is a little more complicated than simply give you paper book to a friend, sure. But you usually paid less for an ebook than you would have paid for a paper book, and besides technical issues it is the same. You bought one paper book and can lend only one. If you lend it, you won't have it anymore until you get it back. It's the same with DRM protected ebooks. Where is the problem? Alan |
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What has legality with this to do? We are talking about possible ways to do things and we are talking about what the moral things to do should be. When I proposed a donation system were nothing illegal is done you said that you have to pay if you want to read a book as that was some natural law or something. I pointed out that thas is not true even today.
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Until Amazon gives up on the format, like they did with the Microsoft Reader ebooks. I bought quite a few from Amazon, and can no longer access them. so, if anything happens to the backup copies I'm SOL. This isn't specifically about DRM, but is the problem with all the competing formats, each with their different DRM. If there was a standard, you might not see companies deciding to completely drop support. This is also one reason you will never find my buying an ebook device put out by Amazon.
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This is your statement rlauzon, YOU make the claim that most e-reader devices do not support mobipocket format. I disputed this and pointed out that there are a wide variety of devices which do support the format. At NO point did I state that all devices read the format.
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Although the second part could be that of someone blinded by the propaganda, the first isn't. Either you're a fool, or you're a shill of the industry: whatever the spin is, in most European countries it still is legal to make a back-up copy of a CD or to rip it for personal use. I think nobody is that much of an idiot, so my guess is you're in the later category. |
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