No FBReader capability on the IQ ?!

tobassam · 11-22-2010, 12:05 AM

From this post, it seems that the IQ's Pocketbook software has no capability of opening books with FBReader, just ADE :
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=11

Can someone confirm this or otherwise as it could be a deal-breaker for many.

Dulin's Books · 11-22-2010, 01:13 AM

I believe it uses the Android version- FBReder J. All the options are not yet available but.... You can simply install the FBReader app itself and use it to read.

You can get the app from the Slideme market which come installed on the IQ or from the link on my apps page http://www.dulinsbooks.com/android-apps

Sil_liS · 11-22-2010, 01:20 AM

Hi tobassam,

Just out of curiosity, why did you decide to create a new thread instead to ask about clarifications on a post instead of just posting in the existing thread? Isn't this way more complicated?

tobassam · 11-22-2010, 02:57 AM

Dulin, neither ADE nor FBReaderJ for Android support RTL languages (Hebrew,Arabic,Urdu, etc.). It's the reason many had adopted the Pocketbook version of FBReader in the past, along with its custom font installation capability.

Sil_liS, I wanted customers in my situation to be aware of the issue rather than have it buried. The IQ was very much expected to run in the same league, and now many will be disappointed if it's not. I have already placed a pre-order and will probably cancel now.

Sil_liS · 11-22-2010, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobassam

Sil_liS, I wanted customers in my situation to be aware of the issue rather than have it buried. The IQ was very much expected to run in the same league, and now many will be disappointed if it's not. I have already placed a pre-order and will probably cancel now.

But the issue wasn't buried. Anyone on this forum that is interested in the IQ will have read the thread that you linked to. And that was posted 20 minutes before you started this thread.

tobassam · 11-22-2010, 04:12 AM

Sil_liS, sorry if that put you off, but to me - and many others - a pocketbook device with sub-par FBReader capabilities is a defining issue and not one to be mixed with others.

This is my call to the Pocketbook community - and the company - to bring the issue forward and tackle it - if possible - to the expectations of Pocketbook customers - since long - of the revered Pocketbook software.

mtravellerh · 11-22-2010, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobassam

Sil_liS, sorry if that put you off, but to me - and many others - a pocketbook device with sub-par FBReader capabilities is a defining issue and not one to be mixed with others.

This is my call to the Pocketbook community - and the company - to bring the issue forward and tackle it - if possible - to the expectations of Pocketbook customers - since long - of the revered Pocketbook software.

Please, instead of telling us that FBReader is subpar, tell us exactly what's not working so that we can go ahead and find a solution.

tobassam · 11-22-2010, 05:09 AM

mtravellerh, thank you. The problem is the missing support for RTL scripts. I have e-mailed my Pocketbook IQ supplier with the attached sample files. They have confirmed that - with the exception of the PDF format - the characters aren't being displayed correctly (a JPEG image is included for reference).

carmelra's previous testing results of Hebrew using FBReaderJ for Android can be found here:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=18

In short, FBReaderJ (and even the original FBReader (non-PC version) and FBReader180) does not have proper RTL support. Only Pocketbook's custom-developed version has that support, but it seems that the IQ product is not using that version. This is where the problem lies.

P.S. Dulin, the FBReader app in the market is actually FBReaderJ, the original FBReader does not support Android.

mtravellerh · 11-22-2010, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobassam

mtravellerh, thank you. The problem is the missing support for RTL scripts. I have e-mailed my Pocketbook IQ supplier with the attached sample files. They have confirmed that - with the exception of the PDF format - the characters aren't being displayed correctly (a JPEG image is included for reference).

carmelra's previous testing results of Hebrew using FBReaderJ for Android can be found here:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=18

In short, FBReaderJ (and even the original FBReader (non-PC version) and FBReader180) does not have proper RTL support. Only Pocketbook's custom-developed version has that support, but it seems that the IQ product is not using that version. This is where the problem lies.

Okay I understand and will bring this up. I am not sure if our custom version can be transferred to IQ. I will give feedback on that, though.

fjtorres · 11-22-2010, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtravellerh

Okay I understand and will bring this up. I am not sure if our custom version can be transferred to IQ. I will give feedback on that, though.

Please do.

Just understand that the Pocketbook name on a *reader* brings a certain amount of brand-equity and goodwill but it also brings expectations.

And a good portion of those expectations are tied into the custom FBReader's capabilities, the themes, the dics, the applets...
Absent clearer details, for the IQ the *expectations* of many of us have been of, essentially, a color 301, with an (optional) Android environment on the side. (Unfair, probably, but the "marketing" *has* always emphasized the Pocketbook reader side, not the "open Android webpad" side of the IQ.)
Without the Pocketbook environment, the IQ becomes... I dunno... A Velocity Micro Cruz?

(With a much better warranty, of course.)

katzki · 11-22-2010, 08:56 AM

I think sometime soon we are going to compare IQ with other pocketbook readers in terms of the reader software performance.

By then, we need to clarify our expectation from IQ's Pocketbook reader app and maybe also need to make a checklist for which works well and which doesn't.

The FBReader issue is just a good starting point I guess.

Dulin's Books · 11-22-2010, 09:53 AM

to clarify- that page of my site is down today. had some bug show up,had to restore and i hadnt made a backup with that page. I will build it again in the next day or so and then fix links in my posts. today the cart is getting an upgrade and tomorrow i have family coming for a visit...

mtravellerh · 11-22-2010, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjtorres

Please do.

Just understand that the Pocketbook name on a *reader* brings a certain amount of brand-equity and goodwill but it also brings expectations.

And a good portion of those expectations are tied into the custom FBReader's capabilities, the themes, the dics, the applets...
Absent clearer details, for the IQ the *expectations* of many of us have been of, essentially, a color 301, with an (optional) Android environment on the side. (Unfair, probably, but the "marketing" *has* always emphasized the Pocketbook reader side, not the "open Android webpad" side of the IQ.)
Without the Pocketbook environment, the IQ becomes... I dunno... A Velocity Micro Cruz?

(With a much better warranty, of course.)

Well, then again, I have Kindle and Nook installed on this little darling and that works really swell, thank you very much.

TallMomof2 · 11-22-2010, 11:27 AM

Aldiko works good, too.

fjtorres · 11-22-2010, 11:59 AM

If the IQ is to be used to run Kindle, Nook, and Aldiko then it is more of a generic open Android tablet than a Pocketbook-family reader, no?

Easily worth buying as such, don't get me wrong; but marketting it as a PB-reader without PB-reader *software* dilutes the brand equity built up by the eink readers. Pocketbook isn't just a brand, it's a platform, no?

And it is the known-quantity aspects of this platform that the reader family's reputation rests on. Anything that muddies these "known-quantity" aspects--the reputation for flexibility and stability--is going to detract from the brand's reputation for quality.

Just saying.

Clarification of the role of the IQ within the reader family is necessary for everybody's sake; ending up with disappointed/disaffected buyers out of miscommunication helps nobody.

11-22-2010, 12:05 AM	#1
tobassam Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Poketbook	No FBReader capability on the IQ ?! From this post, it seems that the IQ's Pocketbook software has no capability of opening books with FBReader, just ADE : https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=11 Can someone confirm this or otherwise as it could be a deal-breaker for many.

11-22-2010, 08:56 AM	#11
katzki Zealot Posts: 103 Karma: 736 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: sony prs 650	IQ as a Pokcetbook Reader I think sometime soon we are going to compare IQ with other pocketbook readers in terms of the reader software performance. By then, we need to clarify our expectation from IQ's Pocketbook reader app and maybe also need to make a checklist for which works well and which doesn't. The FBReader issue is just a good starting point I guess.

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11-22-2010, 01:13 AM	#2
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	I believe it uses the Android version- FBReder J. All the options are not yet available but.... You can simply install the FBReader app itself and use it to read. You can get the app from the Slideme market which come installed on the IQ or from the link on my apps page http://www.dulinsbooks.com/android-apps

11-22-2010, 01:20 AM	#3
Sil_liS Wizard Posts: 4,896 Karma: 33602910 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+	Hi tobassam, Just out of curiosity, why did you decide to create a new thread instead to ask about clarifications on a post instead of just posting in the existing thread? Isn't this way more complicated?

11-22-2010, 02:57 AM	#4
tobassam Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Poketbook	Dulin, neither ADE nor FBReaderJ for Android support RTL languages (Hebrew,Arabic,Urdu, etc.). It's the reason many had adopted the Pocketbook version of FBReader in the past, along with its custom font installation capability. Sil_liS, I wanted customers in my situation to be aware of the issue rather than have it buried. The IQ was very much expected to run in the same league, and now many will be disappointed if it's not. I have already placed a pre-order and will probably cancel now.

11-22-2010, 04:12 AM	#6
tobassam Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Poketbook	Sil_liS, sorry if that put you off, but to me - and many others - a pocketbook device with sub-par FBReader capabilities is a defining issue and not one to be mixed with others. This is my call to the Pocketbook community - and the company - to bring the issue forward and tackle it - if possible - to the expectations of Pocketbook customers - since long - of the revered Pocketbook software.

11-22-2010, 09:53 AM	#12
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	to clarify- that page of my site is down today. had some bug show up,had to restore and i hadnt made a backup with that page. I will build it again in the next day or so and then fix links in my posts. today the cart is getting an upgrade and tomorrow i have family coming for a visit...

11-22-2010, 11:27 AM	#14
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	Aldiko works good, too.

11-22-2010, 11:59 AM	#15
fjtorres Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000	If the IQ is to be used to run Kindle, Nook, and Aldiko then it is more of a generic open Android tablet than a Pocketbook-family reader, no? Easily worth buying as such, don't get me wrong; but marketting it as a PB-reader without PB-reader software dilutes the brand equity built up by the eink readers. Pocketbook isn't just a brand, it's a platform, no? And it is the known-quantity aspects of this platform that the reader family's reputation rests on. Anything that muddies these "known-quantity" aspects--the reputation for flexibility and stability--is going to detract from the brand's reputation for quality. Just saying. Clarification of the role of the IQ within the reader family is necessary for everybody's sake; ending up with disappointed/disaffected buyers out of miscommunication helps nobody.

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