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Fine with any other rise they may need to implement to keep their business viable of course. Whether that would put them outside my willing to pay amount, we'll never know. But we should be able to avoid the 30% rise due to Amazons cut if we buy elsewhere. It's a shame MFN is legal. Quote:
I can fully understand why they've needed to make a deal to distribute through Amazon, but it doesn't change the fact that the deal means pricing raises that I'm not willing to pay. One question remains, will Amazon require Baen implement DRM on their books now? There's been lots of mud slinging in the past where publishers have said they'd like DRM free but Amazon won't allow it and Amazon saying publishers are free to choose. Will Baen books remain DRM free? Last edited by JoeD; 12-11-2012 at 08:33 AM. |
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On a somewhat related note, it doesn't help that Baen doesn't seem to get linked from other book sites. I just today noticed that while Goodreads lists seven places to buy Baen ebooks, Baens own site is not one of them.
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12-11-2012, 08:52 AM | #18 | ||
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12-11-2012, 09:25 AM | #19 | |
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Baen may have picked the 9.99 because of what they now have to pay Amazon for the listing--not necessarily because of the Apple fiasco. ANY time you publish or carry merchandise with any publisher, the contract has something about "competing prices." NO company willingly allows you to undercut them elsewhere. Not even BEFORE the Apple thing did that happen. It's long been in every contract I've signed that I won't undercut prices anywhere. You can offer discount coupons now and then, but your list price has to be the same. THE STORE can offer discounts if it wants to, but as the originator, I have to offer the same list price everywhere. You saw discounts in the past because the bookstores offered them--but the price of the book was the same on the cover for all stores. So I think the answer is that Yes, Amazon should be able to discount books from Baen. It's the same thing if I go buy Minus-33 merino wool products from the website versus Amazon. They can't undercut their own list or Amazon and others would not agree to carry their product. When there is a sale, it's offered by the retailer. As far as the price--I missed that it was only the new stuff at 9.99. I thought anything that wasn't mass-market was going to be 9.99 without thinking through that it meant hardback and then they'd go to mass market. 6.99 is still very reasonable. And the bottom line is that they have to figure out a way to make money or they go away completely. I get that too. |
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The overwhelming majority of what Baen sell is back-catalogue stuff. This is going from $6 to $6.99. 16% increase, not 30%.
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I won't pay those prices so will have to wait until the mass market price point and by that time i've had ample opportunity to buy lots of other books and possibly lost interest in the latest release for a given series. Not always of course, but it has been the case for me in the past. |
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12-11-2012, 09:59 AM | #22 | |
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That's always been the case with me too, but that's a game the publishers have played with us for eons. Apparently it works well enough for them because they keep playing by those rules. |
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So despite the two parties involved being Amazon and Baen, and despite this not being a mainstream Agency publisher, it is still Apple's fault?
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This has absolutely NOTHING to do with agency pricing. That's a complete red herring.
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Completely agree. I don't like the policy, but it apparently WORKS or they wouldn't keep doing it. (And by they I mean all mainstream pubs, not just Baen.) I'm pretty much used to waiting.
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Yes, time to get rid of anything to do with people making a living... anybody suspected of being a writer should be chained to a computer 18 hours a day and allowed to sleep under the desk at the end of the shift, all publishers, literary agents and retailers should be sent to the salt mines or shot and anything to do with Apple should be destroyed on sight or turned into landfill...
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Not. So. Fast. The idea... has its merits. But, I'm thinking more like, politicians, lawyers, politicians, UN and ITU officials, politicians, literary agents, and, of course, politicians. We *really* need to make sure we don't miss any politicians. Oh, I suppose the odd drug dealer or ten would also be a good candidate for the saltmines, too. But forcing those guys to mingle with politicians and ITU types might be considered cruel and unusual punishment. |
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