09-15-2013, 11:23 AM | #1 |
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Kobo's proprietary Kepub DRM defeated?
It says in your wiki that Kobo's proprietary Kepub DRM has been defeated and there are some new tools to remove it. Does anyone know more details about this? It'd be really nice to liberate a few books I bought from them so I could read and manage them with Calibre on my Linux laptop. I tried the unofficial Linux version of their desktop but never could get it working right. It's a real dick move by Kobo to not offer Adept versions of some books and not even mention anywhere that's the case so you could avoid buying those.
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09-15-2013, 11:37 AM | #2 |
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I was going to buy a Kobo book today for the first time, until I figured out I might not get a real EPUB. I noticed I can put samples in my online library, and only some of them have an EPUB download link. I'm not interested in yet another DRM format, and even worse, paying without knowing what DRM may or may not be involved.
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09-15-2013, 04:09 PM | #4 |
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If you buy an epub with DRM, you typically download an .ascm file from the vendor's site that you then open in Adobe Digital Editions, which then downloads the appropriate epub file (with DRM). If Apprentice Alf lives in Calibre land, then you can import that epub file just fine and process or convert it as you see fit. Without Calibre, you can also open it with any epub reader that supports Adobe DRM. kepub is an enhanced epub format that is used by the Kobo readers, and the format that is used when files are sent to your Kobo reader or your Kobo app during the syncing process (mostly only useful if you don't use Calibre). It's actually quite nice and I set up Calibre to export in kepub format when I send books to my Glo (and epub when I send to the Nexus). |
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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=222568 and apparently can only get the Kepub through a Kobo reader. Another example: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=98 I don't want to find out after making a purchase that I can only get a kepub. If it was only a delay, that would be one thing, but it's not clear if that is the case. Edit: For what it's worth, I decided to take my chances due to the 50% off promo, and for my first book, I got an EPUB download link that I could use with Adobe Digital Editions, so I'm satisfied so far. Last edited by ectoplasm; 09-15-2013 at 07:23 PM. |
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Then they should friggin say so on the book page, because they can't expect people to go checking there weeks after purchase, especially when it's only a "maybe" anyway. Besides it's my understanding that Kepub is an extension on top of Epub, and publishers would obviously make a normal Epub first because they're not selling only at Kobo. Only after that would either they themselves or the Kobo guys convert it into a Kepub. So realistically the situation where the Epub isn't there to make available right away never happens, is just a lame excuse they've made up. |
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Thus such indirect references as "search for Apprentice Alf" or search for "obok and python" seem to be permitted but giving a direct link to DRM removal sites/tools would be forbidden, as would posting a step by step guide to removing DRM using any tools. If nothing else, do we really want to see MobileRead being targeted for a DMCA complaint and potentially shut down? I must admit that I have played with many DRM removal tools just to see how they work. I tend to avoid DRM protected content when I can -- if nothing else, there are too many historical examples of people losing access to their collections when a particular DRM scheme has been discontinued. Or in the case of Microsoft's MSN Music being unable to move their collection to a newer computer when the key servers were shutdown. Regards, David |
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09-16-2013, 03:22 PM | #14 |
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I recently checked with Alexander Turic because someone had asked me on another forum how to change account details to another country in order to order books either not available to them or not available at prices they wanted. I checked because my read on this was that telling people explicitly how to circumvent geographical limitations seemed very much like telling people how to remove drm. This was his take on it as well.
My conclusion was that MR is serious when they say will not be a source of information about how to do things that may be illegal or which violate agreements with book sellers or publishers as expressed in Terms of Use or other agreements we may make when setting up accounts. I don't blame them for being careful. |
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Removing DRM is essentially illegal in the US and in most countries of the EU. We may not agree with this, but it is what it is. Bypassing geographical restrictions by using means such as VPN is, as far as I know, not illegal anywhere in the western world. It is as legal as outsourcing jobs to development countries. Vendors may try to criminalize this for reasons of wanting to maximize profit and control, but Amazon does not yet make laws. Amazon's TOS should remain limited to Amazon's site. |
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