10-26-2012, 02:23 AM | #121 | |
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And there are lots of genre books never released in hardback at all. So I think "most" is...disingenuous...at the very least. |
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Remaindered hardcovers aren't better sales for the publisher than ebooks. Used paperbacks certainly aren't. Books borrowed from friends don't pay the author or publisher at all. An ebook purchase is almost always a lost pbook *acquisition,* but not at all a lost pbook *sale,* from the publisher's perspective. Quote:
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Marginal costs for ebooks are, at most, pennies per book. Pbooks are never going to reach that point. Quote:
There are answers: editing, marketing, access to stores, awards recognition. But as far as day-to-day income goes, all that can be skipped--self-pub authors have a better chance of making a living at their craft than traditionally-published ones... and a much, much better chance than wannabe trad-published authors who don't yet have a contract. In short: Publishers are now facing competition that didn't exist 15 years ago. That competition is largely comprised of *the people who create what they sell,* and they'll have to scrabble to find business models that work, when they no longer have the gatekeeper advantage. |
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10-26-2012, 09:40 AM | #123 | |
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(Side rant: Ye gods, do I hate memberships like Chapters. Save 10% off all your books! Cool! But you're paying $20 per year for the privilege. So before you save any money at all you have to spend $200 inside of a year! Oh, and more fun... buy the book online and it's only up to 5% off. Sheesh.) So anyways, you're saving about 20% off the paperback cost. Which is respectable. Sure, Chapters' "Buy 3 get a 4th free" sale (which is essentially 25% off) beats it, but it's still quite reasonable. Those sales only happen a few times a year after all. Quote:
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It will be interesting to see St. Martin's strategy going forward with her. I believe the first new novel under her deal got released in August. Also, the "buy used/remaindered only" market is difficult to judge. For example, I doubt that you can justify your "millions" figure with actual statistics. Hence it is difficult to tell if the influx of that market would offset the loss of profit margin caused by a price cut. Quote:
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10-26-2012, 08:21 PM | #125 |
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I've written to Smashwords and their response matches Kobo. I was told your spouse must purchase their own copy or you can lend them your ereader.
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10-26-2012, 09:29 PM | #126 |
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10-27-2012, 02:33 AM | #127 |
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Actually, that's a little broader than Kobo. Kobo stated that only the account holder was allowed to read it, so lending your spouse your reader would violate that.
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10-27-2012, 02:37 AM | #128 |
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So now, to summarise, I can't lend books, not even to family, and the secondhand/used book market is illegal, even if you give them away.
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10-27-2012, 03:31 AM | #129 | |
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Kobo's response is that no-one else may read your ebooks, not even on authorised devices. |
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10-27-2012, 07:30 AM | #130 |
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Smashwords' prices facilitate multiple buyers though. It's easy to throw another $3 on the cart if you plan to give a copy to your friend (like they suggest - and I have done) Try doing that with a $14 bestseller and your 5 closest friends.
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10-27-2012, 09:02 AM | #131 | |
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Obviously if there had been a way for publishers/sellers to restrict people from swapping, lending, giving away or reselling their paperbacks and hardbacks, they would have done so. They obviously want to maximise their income. E-books just means they now can do so. I can't see any good argument that e-books shouldn't be significantly cheaper than paperback books, the same way paperbacks are significantly cheaper than hardbacks. As they aren't I think all they are doing is leaving themselves open to piracy, much the same way the music industry did with MP3s and DRM. |
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10-31-2012, 10:31 PM | #132 | |
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BE PRODE OF BEING A DOWNLOADER AND THE UNFAIR RULES BREAKER !!!!
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I'LL STEAL THE BOOK IF THEY KEEP SUCH UNFAIR RULES!! I'LL TRY ME BEST TO BREAK ALL THE PROTECTIONS ON ALL THE BOOKS I CAN DOWNLOAD!!! I'M PRODE OF BEING A DOWNLOADER AND THE UNFAIR RULES BREAKER !!!! Those want to blame on me, please answer this qustion first: "Can I read a book to my son?"!!!! Last edited by fred_yu_job; 10-31-2012 at 10:43 PM. |
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The thing that prevents publishers/sellers from restricting people from swapping or reselling their paperbacks is... the law. In Commonlaw jurisdictions, the first-sale doctrine allows the reselling of copyrighted works that have been previously purchased. How the gov't is letting the e-publishers get away with violating this is beyond me. Instead of setting up DRM to prevent lending/selling/giving away, it would be much more in compliance with the doctrine if the DRM was set to ensure that if you did lend or sell your copy, you no longer had access to it - if the libraries can manage that, I don't see why the publishers cannot. |
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04-09-2013, 10:19 AM | #134 | |
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Eventually there might be a foolproof method of DRM but this will not make it real easy to sell an ebook. 1. the book would have to be removed from all of a person's registered devices by the vender or publisher. If a device was lost, stolen, broken or not internet enabled the book could not be removed. 2. There would probably be a fee for the DRM transfer. 3. It would not be easy for people to sell ebooks a. To sell to an unknown individual, a cash transfer method such as paypal would have to be used or either the buyer or seller would have to travel to the person's house spending time and money on transport, so for a 9.99 ebook assuming transport was $5.00 the price would have to be well under $4.99 to make it worth the buyers time. If you are paying close to the regular price, most would just buy it through regular channels. Selling on Ebay or Amazon might be easier but still a fee involved. b. The market would be saturated within a few days for best sellers. Fast readers would benefit, slower readers would be looking at selling for 99 cents less any fees. The only benefit would be to buyers who waited till the second hand price hit bottom or those who wanted to trade/lend books to people they know and there would still be a fee and a process to go through which many would resent. Helen |
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however, your right to the bits is limited eventhough you own the atoms. for instance, you can't photocopy the book (buying the paper and toner, thus owning the atoms) and sell your paper and toner you have assembled which now happens to contain the bits. This would violate copyright. You do not gain a copyright when you purchase the atoms, you gain a single license to the bits to use in the fixed form. Quote:
Looking to the first sale doctrine, when you buy a book, you do not get the right to photocopy the book, destroy the original then sell the photocopy. You can only sell the atoms; the license to the bits transfers with the atoms. IANAL |
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