Adobe ADEPT DRM for PDF circumvented

[Sydney's Mom]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Also don't forget that when you "delete" a file on your PC, it doesn't actually remove the bits that make up that file, it just removes a pointer to them from the filesystem. It's fairly trivial to recover deleted files on most PCs. The only way to REALLY delete your copy of those digital 1's and 0's which represent that library ebook is to destroy your hard drive.

So to be fully legal/moral you need to destroy your hard drive each time one of your "loans" expires, or do a low-level wipe of the hard drive and reinstall your OS. Either that or realize that all this "equating digital files with physical property" stuff is just nonsense.

How about I just promised to never read them again and pretend they are gone. For my purposes (with my computer skills), they are.

[amjbrown]

Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

How about I just promised to never read them again and pretend they are gone

You are asking copyright guardians to *trust* you! Having lived through the evolution of the digital music market, that is something they struggle with

[Valloric]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

The only way to REALLY delete your copy of those digital 1's and 0's which represent that library ebook is to destroy your hard drive.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

You can just overwrite those ones and zeros, and they'll be gone just the same. Run any disk defragmenter and it will probably overwrite those platter clusters.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by Valloric

This is absolutely ridiculous.

You can just overwrite those ones and zeros, and they'll be gone just the same. Run any disk defragmenter and it will probably overwrite those platter clusters.

There are data recovery techniques that can get those ones and zeros back even if you overwrite them.

However, I wasn't really being serious though. Just pointing out how silly the whole comparison is when trying to think of digital data in physical property terms. That's why all sorts of nonsense happens when we try to apply laws and/or business models from physical property to digital data. You're right, it is absolutely ridiculous.

[Valloric]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

There are data recovery techniques that can get those ones and zeros back even if you overwrite them.

This works only sometimes, and in specific situations.

[Sonist]

Originally Posted by Valloric

This works only sometimes, and in specific situations.

I think Shaggy is making a different point....

[Valloric]

Originally Posted by Sonist

I think Shaggy is making a different point....

I know, but still... a bad argument bugs the hell out of me.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sonist

Kind of on topic.

I am thinking of purchasing a PDF version of a travel guide, available from Lonely Planet.

The only reason I'd purchase it, though, is if I can be certain I can remove the DRM, so I can view it on my iRex (and attempt to convert it to mobi for my K2.) I need the file I end up with to be searchable.

Is there any reason why the scripts would not work on a LP PDF?

If you are planning on converting the travel guide PDF for your Kindle, forget it. All that will happen is that it will end up being a real mess.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Valloric

This is absolutely ridiculous.

You can just overwrite those ones and zeros, and they'll be gone just the same. Run any disk defragmenter and it will probably overwrite those platter clusters.

The only way to be 100% sure the bits to that eBook are 100% gone is to overwrite all of them 9 times.

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The only way to be 100% sure the bits to that eBook are 100% gone is to overwrite all of them 9 times.

But only if you do it while standing on your head.

[Valloric]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

But only if you do it while standing on your head.

... and with your finger up a cat's ass.

[Sydney's Mom]

Originally Posted by Valloric

... and with your finger up a cat's ass.

Well, since I don't have a cat (allergic) I guess I am back to square one. I hope the CPL doesn't turn me in. Wait, it is Chicago! I will probably be elected to public office.

[Shaggy]

I don't have a cat either, but apparently a dog will work fine... as long as it's properly licensed. It's certainly not something you'd be allowed to do without the breeder's permission. Just think of what would happen if people started using pets for purposes other than what the breeder was financially compensated for. If people started sticking finger's up their pets asses willy nilly, society as we know it would come to an end... or at the very least get stuck behind!

[Sydney's Mom]

Originally Posted by Shaggy

I don't have a cat either, but apparently a dog will work fine... as long as it's properly licensed. It's certainly not something you'd be allowed to do without the breeder's permission. Just think of what would happen if people started using pets for purposes other than what the breeder was financially compensated for. If people started sticking finger's up their pets asses willy nilly, society as we know it would come to an end... or at the very least get stuck behind!

Hey, now my monitor is all yucky!

[slayda]

And all the children would die of starvation 'cause who could eat with cat & dog poop all over their fingers.