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Sporadic · 07-23-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ahi

Being arrogant doesn't automagically make you right, you know.

- Ahi

I'm being arrogant because the OP is blatantly trying to stir up shit with misinformation?

dedicated · 07-23-2009, 06:43 PM

I'm glad Jeff Bezos apologized for this incident:

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This is an apology for the way we previously handled illegally sold copies of 1984 and other novels on Kindle. Our “solution” to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and we deserve the criticism we’ve received. We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission.

With deep apology to our customers,

Jeff Bezos
Founder & CEO
Amazon.com

ahi · 07-23-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sporadic

I'm being arrogant because the OP is blatantly trying to stir up shit with misinformation?

Why are you asking me?

Surely you yourself ought to know whether that is in fact the reason you are being arrogant, or whether you have other motivations.

Have you lodged your complaint with Amazon yet about that Bozo guy spewing nonsense implying their customers have rights?

- Ahi

Sporadic · 07-23-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahi

Why are you asking me?

Surely you yourself ought to know whether that is in fact the reason you are being arrogant, or whether you have other motivations.

Have you lodged your complaint with Amazon yet about that Bozo guy spewing nonsense implying their customers have rights?

- Ahi

I think it's pretty obvious what your agenda and motivations are.

Just because Bezos posted an apology doesn't mean that Amazon's actions were wrong. I think authors and publishers also have the right to be compensated for their work and not have poor darknet copies on thousands of Kindles because some jackass uploaded it to the Kindle store.

If anything, only thing Bezos should be apologizing for is not properly informing people of what was going on. The refund email should have explicitly stated that the book was pulled due to copyright infringement. I don't think the media/users would have jumped on it the way they did in the first place if they knew the copies in question were illegal.

This whole issue basically died out (for most people) when the official reason was confirmed/released.

krisk · 07-23-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonist

Moot point now..., but here you might find an answer:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51757

well bravo

krisk · 07-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahi

Why are you asking me?

Surely you yourself ought to know whether that is in fact the reason you are being arrogant, or whether you have other motivations.

Have you lodged your complaint with Amazon yet about that Bozo guy spewing nonsense implying their customers have rights?

- Ahi

awwwww is it's wittle feewings hurt?

Sonist · 07-23-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sporadic

I think it's pretty obvious what your agenda and motivations are. ...

Yes! I suspected that Ahi is a slippery, yellow-finned, copyright terrorist

But, your thoughts on copyright are, at best, sporadically incorrect.

Sporadic · 07-23-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonist

Yes! I suspected that Ahi is a slippery, yellow-finned, copyright terrorist

But, your thoughts on copyright are, at best, sporadically incorrect.

Why?

The books that were pulled are not public domain in America.

Here's a few more questions. Why do Kindle users deserve to keep their bootleg copies when they had been refunded their money? Why does Orwell's estate deserve to get screwed out of thousands of potential sales and the money they are owed because a third party abused Amazon's third party upload service?

Sonist · 07-23-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sporadic

Why?
...

Why ask "why," when you can find all the answers here?

Sporadic · 07-23-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonist

Why ask "why," when you can find all the answers here?

So, instead of the copyright owner sending a C&D to Amazon and Amazon complying/refunding the money, you would rather Orwell's estate sue MobileReference into oblivion? Spending months/years in court trying to get compensated?

If they would have won and were awarded a court order that Amazon must delete all the unauthorized books, would that make everything ok? In your opinion, does that decision apply to all future bootleg books on Amazon (since it's going to happen with 3000+ books being uploaded a day) or do you require every copyright owner to spend an untold amount of money in legal fees to defend their rights?

I don't understand why what Amazon did is considered "shortcut" when the third-party uploader broke Amazon's TOS with the self publishing unit. People didn't lose "their legally obtained files" because MobileReference didn't have right to sell the book in the first place.

ghostwheel · 07-24-2009, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonist

Moot point now..., but here you might find an answer:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51757

good answer!

TheJohnNewton · 07-24-2009, 09:53 AM

Why are seven pages of posts needed on this sillyness? Somebody without the rights to sell a book sold it via Amazon. Amazon found out an pulled the book. People synched their Kindles to Amazon where the book they should never have had no longer existed. The purchasers "damages" were the free use of a book they never should have had in the first place. Period. (Fullstop in some countries with no access to the Kindle anyway.) Done. End of story.

Sonist · 07-24-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sporadic

...
If they would have won and were awarded a court order that Amazon must delete all the unauthorized books, would that make everything ok?...

Yep, generally this is how it works in civilized countries.

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Originally Posted by TheJohnNewton

Why are seven pages of posts needed on this sillyness?...

Dunno..., 'cause some people just don't get the issue...?

Xiaopanda · 07-26-2009, 05:32 PM

Meh, I think that Amazon has a duty to ensure that all things sold through their site are legal, especially as the DRM hits the fan!

I don't like the idea that they can delete stuff (or maybe edit stuff?) from my partner's device at will, but I honestly have not read in detail the agreement they (must) have with Amazon, and maybe it was agreed that they could, even if it was only 'on occassion'.

Ironic that the "Big Brother" issue raises it's head with "1984", dontcha think?

krischik · 07-31-2009, 03:26 PM

Well, we talk about suing Amanzon - other actually do it - as I just found out on /. - and 300+ reply on the article in no time.

07-24-2009, 09:53 AM	#102
TheJohnNewton Addict Posts: 256 Karma: 144599 Join Date: Jan 2008 Device: Boox Nova 2	Why are seven pages of posts needed on this sillyness? Somebody without the rights to sell a book sold it via Amazon. Amazon found out an pulled the book. People synched their Kindles to Amazon where the book they should never have had no longer existed. The purchasers "damages" were the free use of a book they never should have had in the first place. Period. (Fullstop in some countries with no access to the Kindle anyway.) Done. End of story. Last edited by TheJohnNewton; 07-24-2009 at 09:55 AM.

07-31-2009, 03:26 PM	#105
krischik Addict Posts: 334 Karma: 1234 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hindelbank, Switzerland Device: P990i, PRS 505	Well, we talk about suing Amanzon - other actually do it - as I just found out on /. - and 300+ reply on the article in no time. Last edited by krischik; 07-31-2009 at 03:28 PM. Reason: a bit more info

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07-26-2009, 05:32 PM	#104
Xiaopanda Addict Posts: 230 Karma: 1290 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Meh, I think that Amazon has a duty to ensure that all things sold through their site are legal, especially as the DRM hits the fan! I don't like the idea that they can delete stuff (or maybe edit stuff?) from my partner's device at will, but I honestly have not read in detail the agreement they (must) have with Amazon, and maybe it was agreed that they could, even if it was only 'on occassion'. Ironic that the "Big Brother" issue raises it's head with "1984", dontcha think?