HELP! Conflict Hamster and Kranf Collection Manager or at least foldering?

allisondbl · 08-14-2011, 11:40 PM

I am aware of the problems with Hamster and Calibre and with all due apologies I tried Calibre for a long time but found it was too complicated for my simple needs: namely just to convert a couple of formats into .mobi and to put books into collections. I still tried to use it out of respect but it could not organize collections properly. So I used it to convert files to .mobi and I used Kindle Collection Manager until Kindle CM stopped working with last Kindle "update." So ... I switched to Kranf Collection Manager for organization. Worked beautifully until ...

Calibre began to A take nearly double digit minutes to load and then B hog CPU so completely it makes computer useless.

So using Kranf to organize, I switched to using Hamster to convert. Fast and easy. BUT

I found that when I ran Kranf it no longer put books into collections. Tried everything running, rerunning Kranf program, going into system folder and deleting all backup going as far back as I could and using old .json file ... nothing.

Then had a brainwave. I added one spanking new folder in to see what happened. It added folder BUT only put two of six books into it.

Puzzled and then idea: checked date I had converted the books that DID go into folder to mobi format or date at which books had been put on my computer and BINGO: they were PRE-Hamster as converter.

So it seems there's a conflict between a file converted from e.g. epub to "amazon" i.e. mobi on Hamster and getting it to go into a folder.

I tried using Kindle CM again by the way to check and no help.

Any ideas? *sob*

JSWolf · 08-15-2011, 07:57 AM

Nobody is going to help you as long as you are using hamster. So you may as well delete hamster as you'll be shunned until you tell us you've deleted it. hamster is a leech and we'll have nothing to do with helping support it.

DiapDealer · 08-15-2011, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nobody is going to help you as long as you are using hamster. So you may as well delete hamster as you'll be shunned until you tell us you've deleted it. hamster is a leech and we'll have nothing to do with helping support it.

I don't agree with the exact wording of JS's post, but for once I agree completely with the sentiment behind it.

Did you ask for help with your calibre issues before switching to a program that essentially creates a proprietary, commercial front-end to that same exact calibre?

You likely would have gotten all the help you needed had you simply asked. But seeing as how highly Kovid and the rest of the calibre developers are regarded around here, you'll not likely find a lot symapathy for your difficulties in getting the results you desire using a program that has basically slapped them in the face. I'd take it up with Hamster's support system and/or the Kranf Collection Manager developer.

Harry_Y · 08-15-2011, 08:45 AM

Calibre loads fairly quickly for me even on older hardware so that leads
me to believe that you have something amiss with your computer.

I would suggest:

1. Removing hamster

2. Run CCleaner from CCleaner.com

3. Re-Installing Calibre

I'm a beginner with Calibre and at first found it a bit confusing, but I
just read the doc and played with it until I figured out how to use it.

JD78 · 08-15-2011, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nobody is going to help you as long as you are using hamster. So you may as well delete hamster as you'll be shunned until you tell us you've deleted it. hamster is a leech and we'll have nothing to do with helping support it.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I am curious about this deal or issue with Hamster. I've never heard of it before this thread, as I use Calibre and the it's collections plugin for everything (one of the few collections managers that are Mac compatible).

JSWolf · 08-15-2011, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD78

I know this is a bit off topic, but I am curious about this deal or issue with Hamster. I've never heard of it before this thread, as I use Calibre and the it's collections plugin for everything (one of the few collections managers that are Mac compatible).

hamster basically took Calibre and added a custom front-end to it. They did not keep the GPL v3 terms and they have not released the full source code. Basically, they are trying to steal Calibre for their own uses.

JD78 · 08-15-2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

hamster basically took Calibre and added a custom front-end to it. They did not keep the GPL v3 terms and they have not released the full source code. Basically, they are trying to steal Calibre for their own uses.

Ugh. Thanks for the explanation. Calibre is great and wouldn't want to use anything else.

avantman42 · 08-15-2011, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD78

I know this is a bit off topic, but I am curious about this deal or issue with Hamster. I've never heard of it before this thread, as I use Calibre and the it's collections plugin for everything (one of the few collections managers that are Mac compatible).

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

hamster basically took Calibre and added a custom front-end to it. They did not keep the GPL v3 terms and they have not released the full source code. Basically, they are trying to steal Calibre for their own uses.

JSWolf's answer is a fair summary. If you want more detailed information, see this thread:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=146354

DiapDealer · 08-15-2011, 10:08 AM

And since the OP admitted straight off to being fully aware of the Hamster/Calibre contention, I find it hard to believe that this is an innocent, sincere plea for help... or in the off chance that it was sincere; ever held much hope that any help would be forthcoming from this particular community.

CRussel · 08-15-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

And since the OP admitted straight off to being fully aware of the Hamster/Calibre contention, I find it hard to believe that this is an innocent, sincere plea for help... or in the off chance that it was sincere; ever held much hope that any help would be forthcoming from this particular community.

Amen. Right up there with the users who complain about bad formatting with books they downloaded from the darknet.

allisondbl · 08-15-2011, 11:57 PM

Wow! A seriously sanctimonious group of people here. Clearly I need to look for actual assistance from human beings elsewhere which I will. But for anyone who comes to this thread seeking help I figure I should respond.

As to the Hamster/Calibre conflict - of which I became aware only AFTER I had been forced to give up on Calibre and seek alternatives - respect for the genius of Calibre's developers is why it was mentioned.

As to the sanctimonious sh*te with regard to asking for help with Calibre, I did. Multiple times as anyone who came off their soapbox and actually looked on this bloody site could see. And I specifically noted in the originating post that I only sought an alternative when I could find no way to make it work.

As to reinstalling Calibre and keeping computer clean, I use more cleaners than most people know, and my computer is squeaky. As to reloading and unloading yup. Done and done. And upgraded with every modification regardless of the length of time it took to download and my losing the use of my computer for hours each damn time.

In response to the charming one-handed remark:

"And since the OP admitted straight off to being fully aware of the Hamster/Calibre contention, I find it hard to believe that this is an innocent, sincere plea for help... or in the off chance that it was sincere; ever held much hope that any help would be forthcoming from this particular community."

I'm not sure how YOUR parents raised you darlin' but mine taught me to be respectful and polite, and respect for Calibre which is VERY highly regarded around here is why I tried to explain the problem and acknowledge that I only sought an alternative when I found no help with Calibre and could not give up my computer for the hours it required to baby it. I am glad others find it as brilliant and useful as they do; I completely concur with the former and have not as to the latter.

And knowing that there was "some" problem with Hamster and Calibre hardly adds up to a middling poster being aware that I would receive the level of animosity that has been shown here.

Seriously people: Get a life!

A PM politely pointing out that I was discussing rope in the house of the hanged would have sufficed.

And I am so glad that each and every one of your actions in all of your lives is so absolutely perfect you have no trouble at all throwing stones at everyone else. So next time you're condemned for bad behavior before being given the slightest warning or chance to defend yourself, hear me in the spot on your shoulder reserved for your angel saying: REAP WHAT YOU SOW BEYOTCH!

And for anyone sincerely interested simply in enjoying and using their Kindle as best they can, given that Amazon did not see fit to provide a simple program to make their own product useful: I mean c'mon Jeff really? You provide space for thousands of book and no way to organize??!! I wish you luck in finding help from those willing to actually provide it, and wish continued happiness for all for whom Calibre remains a brilliant solution for Amazon's rare shortsightedness on this product.

Bikeridr · 08-16-2011, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allisondbl

A lot of svada ...

Wow.
Anyway, I'm back to my

BTW, I have only had one converting problem with Calibre, for which I got an answer and a solution to within minutes, thanks to the Calibre-part of this very forum.

DiapDealer · 08-16-2011, 08:09 AM

Just so we're perfectly clear, allisondbl...

No one is giving you a hard time for using an alternative to calibre—that's perfectly reasonable. The point is that you switched to—and continued to use after knowing that—the alternative program is violating the license that calibre's code is released under. You came asking for advice for a program who's very existence is—at the very least—legally questionable. You say sanctimonious, I say loyal and conscientious. Meh.

And I do remember your requests for "help" in the calibre forums. If you call immediately making demands the developers weren't willing to concede to "asking for help," (and then subsequently pitching a similar fit to the one in this thread) well...

HarryT · 08-16-2011, 08:11 AM

I am pleased to see that the "Hamster" developers are now bringing it in line with the requirements of the GPL.

Harry_Y · 08-16-2011, 09:43 AM

I have loaded and run Calibre on one Linux PC and on two
Windows PCs; Calibre loads and runs quickly on all of them.

I still believe it is an problem with the OP's PC.

08-14-2011, 11:40 PM	#1
allisondbl Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 11964 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle Paperwhites 2013 and 2015, Nook Glowlight, iPhone, etc.	HELP! Conflict Hamster and Kranf Collection Manager or at least foldering? I am aware of the problems with Hamster and Calibre and with all due apologies I tried Calibre for a long time but found it was too complicated for my simple needs: namely just to convert a couple of formats into .mobi and to put books into collections. I still tried to use it out of respect but it could not organize collections properly. So I used it to convert files to .mobi and I used Kindle Collection Manager until Kindle CM stopped working with last Kindle "update." So ... I switched to Kranf Collection Manager for organization. Worked beautifully until ... Calibre began to A take nearly double digit minutes to load and then B hog CPU so completely it makes computer useless. So using Kranf to organize, I switched to using Hamster to convert. Fast and easy. BUT I found that when I ran Kranf it no longer put books into collections. Tried everything running, rerunning Kranf program, going into system folder and deleting all backup going as far back as I could and using old .json file ... nothing. Then had a brainwave. I added one spanking new folder in to see what happened. It added folder BUT only put two of six books into it. Puzzled and then idea: checked date I had converted the books that DID go into folder to mobi format or date at which books had been put on my computer and BINGO: they were PRE-Hamster as converter. So it seems there's a conflict between a file converted from e.g. epub to "amazon" i.e. mobi on Hamster and getting it to go into a folder. I tried using Kindle CM again by the way to check and no help. Any ideas? sob

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08-15-2011, 07:57 AM	#2
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,015 Karma: 129333114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Nobody is going to help you as long as you are using hamster. So you may as well delete hamster as you'll be shunned until you tell us you've deleted it. hamster is a leech and we'll have nothing to do with helping support it.

08-15-2011, 08:45 AM	#4
Harry_Y Addict Posts: 305 Karma: 704492 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NY Device: Kindle 3, Kindle DX, Galaxy Tab 2	Calibre loads fairly quickly for me even on older hardware so that leads me to believe that you have something amiss with your computer. I would suggest: 1. Removing hamster 2. Run CCleaner from CCleaner.com 3. Re-Installing Calibre I'm a beginner with Calibre and at first found it a bit confusing, but I just read the doc and played with it until I figured out how to use it.

08-15-2011, 10:08 AM	#9
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,552 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	And since the OP admitted straight off to being fully aware of the Hamster/Calibre contention, I find it hard to believe that this is an innocent, sincere plea for help... or in the off chance that it was sincere; ever held much hope that any help would be forthcoming from this particular community.

08-15-2011, 11:57 PM	#11
allisondbl Connoisseur Posts: 64 Karma: 11964 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle Paperwhites 2013 and 2015, Nook Glowlight, iPhone, etc.	Wow! A seriously sanctimonious group of people here. Clearly I need to look for actual assistance from human beings elsewhere which I will. But for anyone who comes to this thread seeking help I figure I should respond. As to the Hamster/Calibre conflict - of which I became aware only AFTER I had been forced to give up on Calibre and seek alternatives - respect for the genius of Calibre's developers is why it was mentioned. As to the sanctimonious sh*te with regard to asking for help with Calibre, I did. Multiple times as anyone who came off their soapbox and actually looked on this bloody site could see. And I specifically noted in the originating post that I only sought an alternative when I could find no way to make it work. As to reinstalling Calibre and keeping computer clean, I use more cleaners than most people know, and my computer is squeaky. As to reloading and unloading yup. Done and done. And upgraded with every modification regardless of the length of time it took to download and my losing the use of my computer for hours each damn time. In response to the charming one-handed remark: "And since the OP admitted straight off to being fully aware of the Hamster/Calibre contention, I find it hard to believe that this is an innocent, sincere plea for help... or in the off chance that it was sincere; ever held much hope that any help would be forthcoming from this particular community." I'm not sure how YOUR parents raised you darlin' but mine taught me to be respectful and polite, and respect for Calibre which is VERY highly regarded around here is why I tried to explain the problem and acknowledge that I only sought an alternative when I found no help with Calibre and could not give up my computer for the hours it required to baby it. I am glad others find it as brilliant and useful as they do; I completely concur with the former and have not as to the latter. And knowing that there was "some" problem with Hamster and Calibre hardly adds up to a middling poster being aware that I would receive the level of animosity that has been shown here. Seriously people: Get a life! A PM politely pointing out that I was discussing rope in the house of the hanged would have sufficed. And I am so glad that each and every one of your actions in all of your lives is so absolutely perfect you have no trouble at all throwing stones at everyone else. So next time you're condemned for bad behavior before being given the slightest warning or chance to defend yourself, hear me in the spot on your shoulder reserved for your angel saying: REAP WHAT YOU SOW BEYOTCH! And for anyone sincerely interested simply in enjoying and using their Kindle as best they can, given that Amazon did not see fit to provide a simple program to make their own product useful: I mean c'mon Jeff really? You provide space for thousands of book and no way to organize??!! I wish you luck in finding help from those willing to actually provide it, and wish continued happiness for all for whom Calibre remains a brilliant solution for Amazon's rare shortsightedness on this product.

08-16-2011, 08:09 AM	#13
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,552 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Just so we're perfectly clear, allisondbl... No one is giving you a hard time for using an alternative to calibre—that's perfectly reasonable. The point is that you switched to—and continued to use after knowing that—the alternative program is violating the license that calibre's code is released under. You came asking for advice for a program who's very existence is—at the very least—legally questionable. You say sanctimonious, I say loyal and conscientious. Meh. And I do remember your requests for "help" in the calibre forums. If you call immediately making demands the developers weren't willing to concede to "asking for help," (and then subsequently pitching a similar fit to the one in this thread) well...

08-16-2011, 08:11 AM	#14
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I am pleased to see that the "Hamster" developers are now bringing it in line with the requirements of the GPL.

08-16-2011, 09:43 AM	#15
Harry_Y Addict Posts: 305 Karma: 704492 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NY Device: Kindle 3, Kindle DX, Galaxy Tab 2	I have loaded and run Calibre on one Linux PC and on two Windows PCs; Calibre loads and runs quickly on all of them. I still believe it is an problem with the OP's PC.

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