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Who's blundering: author, or me?
The book I've just finished in my "re-read all my (very old) Fantasy I have"-project is The Diamon Throne (Book One of The Elenium), by David Eddings.
I've noticed something that can be only described as a big mistake, or I'm missing something. In the Prologue is described how the Troll Ghwerig created Bhelliom, a rose carved out of blue sapphire: Quote:
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Sparhawk wears a ring on his finger, and the Queen (and before her, the King Aldreas) also had such a ring: Quote:
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If this is to be explained in book Two or Three of this trilogy, then just say so, and don't explain any furhter; I'll encounter it while reading. The second book is called "The Ruby Knight", which I hope is not for nothing... If I did miss something in The Diamond Throne, and it was explained who the stones in the rings turned from blue-sapphire-gone-pale to blood-red rubies, then I'd like to know... Last edited by Katsunami; 02-15-2013 at 01:47 PM. |
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02-15-2013, 02:19 PM | #2 |
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I found the following on a page about sapphires:
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So one had little or no trace elements and was clear while another fragment had a trace of chromium mixed in with the base material of the sapphire and was therefore red in color. |
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02-15-2013, 03:28 PM | #4 |
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I thought it was explained somewhere in there that the rings changed color due to some accident or getting blood on them. It has been a while though since I have read them so it could certainly be a different book that I am remembering.
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02-15-2013, 03:30 PM | #5 |
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Thanks for replying. I've found similar references... but I'm still in doubt.
It's clearly stated that Bhelliom is blue, and that the stones on both rings initially were also blue as they where made from the shards that came off of Bhelliom. It's also clearly stated that these stones became pale when the rings were used for the first time. I do not remember anywhere that the stones in these rings turned red. Sapphire and ruby seem to be family; the red stones being called ruby, and all other ones being called sapphire. So basically, as I understand it, all versions of this jewel are called sapphire, except when it's red: then it's called a ruby. There is also a transparent version of sapphire. Fine by me: the blue->pale (transparent) change for the stones in the rings is clearly explained in the story, but suddenly they're red without an explanation. I hope to encounter that in the next novel (or somebody points out where I missed it), because these are mistakes/loopholes that can... uh... irritate me, as the question keeps nagging. If it is explained as such, then it's probably not in the first novel, or I have read straight through it without actually reading it. I can't really believe so. Last edited by Katsunami; 02-15-2013 at 03:32 PM. |
02-15-2013, 03:35 PM | #6 |
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It could be that that is the mythos that has grown up around the rings in question as far as those characters who come in contact with them are concerned. Such things tend to overlook the often mundane reality of the true reason I think. For example there is supposed to have been a real Nicholas Flamel who was fairly well off in terms of having money as he founded several hospitals and such. Of course people back then claimed he must have the philosopher's stone in order to have such wealth. The reality more likely is he probably was just a shrewd business man who knew how to handle money.
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02-15-2013, 03:47 PM | #7 |
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Dazrin is correct. I believe it was explained towards the end of Ruby Knight. Seraphina (sp) explains it around the time they retrieve the jewel. And if she doesn't explain it then, she explains it at some other point in the series when she's talking about how the Elenians got the rings in the first place. IOW, it might be in the next trilogy.
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02-15-2013, 03:50 PM | #8 |
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I'm starting the next story today, aptly called "The Ruby Knight", whom I expect to be Sparhawk, as he holds both rings now. If I encounter an explanation, I'll post it.
I read these books about 10 years ago, but out of order: first The Tamuli trilogy, then The Elenium (wrong way around), and they were in Dutch. I don't remember too much, except for the general story line, so it's all "new".... Thanks for replying. Having two people telling me that there will be an explanation somewhere is enough; as said, I'll post it once I encounter it Last edited by Katsunami; 02-15-2013 at 03:52 PM. |
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02-15-2013, 06:19 PM | #10 |
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I am glad you found it.
I wonder if the reason it is that close to the beginning of the second book is because they realized there was an error in the first book and wanted to save face... (On a side note: Yay! My memory isn't as bad as my wife claims! ) |
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Watch out she doesn't find out. That way next time you forget something you can claim that she even has noted that you have a bad memory.
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If it were less important I might think so, but given that the *title* of the second book is about the color of the stones, it doesn't seem like something that would be overlooked.
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02-23-2013, 04:13 AM | #13 |
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as i recall, sparkhawk's ancestor and his wife's ancestor's blood were introduced into the gems so the gems would know them. it's been a while, so i could be wrong, though...
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