Is the Kindle right for me... @.@

[iandix]

jocampo are you saying I can not buy books from Sony or Borders and about a hundred other places as well as borrow books from public libraries with a nook or nookcolor??

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by boswd

What? are you kidding me? If that was the case they wouldn't support multiple formats.
The fact that the nook color doesn't have access to the Android market place is more to the fact that it is a dedicated eReader.
It's User interface is all about ereading and features that are just not possible on eink.

I don't know what Barnes and Noble did to you but man you just pump out more lies and misinformation. this is crazy.

and you seriously need to stop confusing people about ePub

Google does NOT USE proprietar DRM on ePub
Fictionwise does NOT use proprietary DRM on ePub
Kobo does NOT use Proprietary DRM on ePub
Borders does NOT use proprietary DRM on ePub
Librarys do not use Proprietary DRM on ePub

they all use a ADOBE Digital Reader which is supported on ALL devices except for the Kindle.

But you know this already but yet you still keep telling people ALL online bookstores slap their OWN DRM on their books.

People use these forums for help.

Yes, the Nook Color is locked in order to force people to buy from Barnes and Noble store. They make zero money if you to Google and any other place and download a book for free. That is the main reason why they do not unlocked the device.

I am not confusing anyone.

The true is that the advantage is on books which has been formatted (epub or whatever other format) without DRM protection. If you buy from Barnes and Noble, you cannot read your books in any other place unless you break the encryption, which put those books at same condition that any other azw format or Kindle book.

Whatever comes or is in epub, without DRM encryption, can be read in a Kindle via Calibre conversion! It takes 60 seconds to do it!

[boswd]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Yes, the Nook Color is locked in order to force people to buy from Barnes and Noble store. They make zero money if you to Google and any other place and download a book for free. That is the main reason why they do not unlocked the device.

I am not confusing anyone.

The true is that the advantage is on books which has been formatted (epub or whatever other format) without DRM protection. If you buy from Barnes and Noble, you cannot read your books in any other place unless you break the encryption, which put those books at same condition that any other azw format or Kindle book.

Whatever comes or is in epub, without DRM encryption, can be read in a Kindle via Calibre conversion! It takes 60 seconds to do it!

Wow Joe your first sentence is not only flat out false, it might be bordering on lying. If actually did own the nook color then it would be flat out lying.

How can you honestly say that Barnes and Noble locks you in to only buying from their bookstore? You know that's not true.

I bought 3 books from Google just to give it a test run.

You claim you have owned them in the past, how can you make that claim?

I seriously would like to know.

You know just as well as I do people can purchase books from anywhere that sells epub and the Nook and the nook color supports Adobe Digital.

Loving the fact my wife subscribes to Kobo books, was loving the 30% off coupons they were running throughout December.

You are implying and misleading People into thinking the Nook only allows their own books to be read on it.

Why would you makes such a claim?

First you make a claim that ALL USA On line bookstores use their OWN DRM - False

You then make a claim that the nook color is locked into only buying books from the BN bookstore --- False

You claim you are running Honeycomb on your phone --- False (though I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you just got your software versions mixed up)

But damn Joe All the False information you are purposley spreading. why? I'm sure you are passionate about your Kindle, but to resort to these type of tatics?

and oh IanDX had question for you,the post just above your last, that I would be interested in hearing your answer.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by boswd

and you seriously need to stop confusing people about ePub

Google does NOT USE proprietar DRM on ePub
Fictionwise does NOT use proprietary DRM on ePub
Kobo does NOT use Proprietary DRM on ePub
Borders does NOT use proprietary DRM on ePub
Librarys do not use Proprietary DRM on ePub

they all use a ADOBE Digital Reader which is supported on ALL devices except for the Kindle.

You have stated this before, and it's completely wrong. ADE DRM is a proprietary DRM mechanism. It's Adobe's property; that's why it's called "Adobe Digital Editions". All the bookstores you list use Adobe's proprietary DRM on their ePub files.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by boswd

Wow Joe your first sentence is not only flat out false, it might be bordering on lying. If actually did own the nook color then it would be flat out lying.

How can you honestly say that Barnes and Noble locks you in to only buying from their bookstore? You know that's not true.

I bought 3 books from Google just to give it a test run.

You claim you have owned them in the past, how can you make that claim?

I seriously would like to know.

You know just as well as I do people can purchase books from anywhere that sells epub and the Nook and the nook color supports Adobe Digital.

Loving the fact my wife subscribes to Kobo books, was loving the 30% off coupons they were running throughout December.

You are implying and misleading People into thinking the Nook only allows their own books to be read on it.

Why would you makes such a claim?

Read my previous post carefully before replying back. Read it carefully. I said, the Nook Color device is locked, yes it is. The Android operating system has been locked so out of the box you do not have access to all the features and whistles Android operating system can provide. It was locked not to give you a better experience but to avoid being used it as a tablet, which ultimately is what that device is, a tablet. With Android locked and most menus designed around Barnes and Noble store, people's initial and 1st choice would be buying from Barnes and Noble online bookstore, same like Kindle 3 users download and read from Amazon online bookstore. It is a marketing strategy.

Of course you can you can read not DRM protected epub books using Nook Color, you can basically do the same with Kindle 3 via Calibre.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by HarryT

You have stated this before, and it's completely wrong. ADE DRM is a proprietary DRM mechanism. It's Adobe's property; that's why it's called "Adobe Digital Editions". All the bookstores you list use Adobe's proprietary DRM on their ePub files.

Yes but Its not proprietary to the specific bookstore selling the ebooks.
That's my point. Anyone can support ADE, Amazon chooses not to while the rest of the ereader do.

their is no specific Fictionwise DRM to only Fictionwise ereaders devices will work with.

Google books does not have a Google DRM
neither does or Kobo or borders.

They usre ADE which yes its a form of DRM but fully industry supported DRM except Amazon.

Joe is making claims that Google and others have their own Special DRM slapped on their books. and that's not true.

[ProfCrash]

Originally Posted by iandix

jocampo are you saying I can not buy books from Sony or Borders and about a hundred other places as well as borrow books from public libraries with a nook or nookcolor??

What jocampo is saying is that you cannot read BN books on a Sony or a Kobo because BN uses its own DRM, just like Amazon.

I believe his point is that Amazon gets a bad rap for using a different ebook format and propriatary DRM and "locking" people into a specific stores when BN uses much the same practices. The BN DRM does not allow people to read BN on devices other then Nooks unless they strip the DRM, just like Amazon.

The short version, the format differences mean little to nothing since Amazon has the largest EBook store. People usings EPub devices seem to be shopping at Amazon and stripping the DRM since they can find the books they want there and not at their stores. The EPub bookstores still use DRM. BN uses a proprietary DRM that means that Sony and Kobo users cannot nativly read BN books on their devices. ie the Format wars are stupid and highly overrated. Get the device that you are most comfortable with, buy the books you like, and get over this supposed "huge" difference which really isn't huge.

The long version.

The Nook Color is a locked device to try and force people to buy from BN. An unlocked Nook Color would allow people to download android apps, like the Kindle App, or download and read books from Google. People have to choose to root their Nook Color in order to get the full benefit from the device.

Essentially, BN is using the same type of policies and procedures that Amazon uses but people are willing to overlook it because they use EPUB. A proprietary EPub that can only be read on BN devices unless the DRM is stripped, but EPUB.

And BN choose EPUB well after the Kindle was out and Amazon was dominating the US based ebook market. Why is this important to note? Because the Nook is not an international reader so it is unlikely that BN was looking to Europe and going "But they like EPUB" when making its formating decision. More likely, BN decided they didn't want their "open" device to use Mobi because they were afraid people would buy books from Amazon. The Kobo had yet to be released, so BN would not have known about that compitition, and the Sony bookstore has always been poor, so BN was not worried about that competition. Why not allow Nook users to shop at Sony? They could safely assume that most Nook users would shop at BN since the store was better.

And the ADE DRM is still a propritary DRM that is added to books bought from Sony and Kobo. To make matters worse, it is not owned and operated by those companies but by Adobe. From the little that I have read, support for ADE is poor, there have been issues with people having multiple devices on one account, and there have been issues with library books. So "YAY" for this great DRM scheme that has been technologically difficult for many folks to use and prevented some Sony n00 users from using the library.

[ProfCrash]

Originally Posted by boswd

Yes but Its not proprietary to the specific bookstore selling the ebooks.
That's my point. Anyone can support ADE, Amazon chooses not to while the rest of the ereader do.

their is no specific Fictionwise DRM to only Fictionwise ereaders devices will work with.

Google books does not have a Google DRM
neither does or Kobo or borders.

They usre ADE which yes its a form of DRM but fully industry supported DRM except Amazon.

Joe is making claims that Google and others have their own Special DRM slapped on their books. and that's not true.

BN could have chosen to use the same DRM as Kobo and Sony but didn't. BN books cannot be nativly read on the Sony and Kobo.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Read my previous post carefully before replying back. Read it carefully. I said, the Nook Color device is locked, yes it is. The Android operating system has been locked so out of the box you do not have access to all the features and whistles Android operating system can provide. It was locked not to give you a better experience but to avoid being used it as a tablet, which ultimately is what that device is, a tablet. With Android locked and most menus designed around Barnes and Noble store, people's initial and 1st choice would be buying from Barnes and Noble online bookstore, same like Kindle 3 users download and read from Amazon online bookstore. It is a marketing strategy.

Of course you can you can read not DRM protected epub books using Nook Color, you can basically do the same with Kindle 3 via Calibre.

Joe that is not what you are implying at all. Your word gymnastics are getting rather tiring. You were trying to tell people you are only locked into buying books through BN and thats not true.

The Barnes and noble has never once claimed this was to be a full fledge Android Tablet. Never once. It's an ereader tablet, made specifically for ereading and surf the web and a couple of apps. But it's main focus is to be a dedicated ereader.

If you want a full fledge Tablet you go out get a Galaxy S or an iPad.
The skin is designed around ereading features.
The only thing designed around it's store is it's Shopping App, and why wouldn't it.

But that doesn't lock you in to only buying from BN.
and you know this.

[Dr. Drib]

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[jocampo]

Originally Posted by boswd

First you make a claim that ALL USA On line bookstores use their OWN DRM - False

Quote my post, please, and tell me where in my post I said "all" bookstores. I said: "All major USA online bookstores". You are quoting out of context. Yes, all major online bookstores like B&N and Amazon use DRM encryption. Everything else in USA are just a small fraction of available ebooks.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by boswd

Yes but Its not proprietary to the specific bookstore selling the ebooks.

The word "proprietary" simply means "somebody's property". That's all it means. ADE is absolutely unquestionably a proprietary DRM technology. It is owned by Adobe.

That's my point. Anyone can support ADE, Amazon chooses not to while the rest of the ereader do.

Anybody who chooses to pay Adobe large sums of money can support ADE, certainly. Just as anybody can choose to have their books sold by Amazon. It's a free market. ADE is no more and no less proprietary than Amazon's DRM system. Both are owned by companies who are in business to make money. There's nothing wrong with that.

Joe is making claims that Google and others have their own Special DRM slapped on their books. and that's not true.

I certainly didn't interpret his post as saying that.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

BN could have chosen to use the same DRM as Kobo and Sony but didn't. BN books cannot be nativly read on the Sony and Kobo.

I never claimed different in fact in other Posts I have agreed the books bought at BN are really no different than the books bought at Amazon. They are specific to it's own device.

But what I was disagreeing with the notion that bookstores, All online bookstores were using their own special DRM. and that part is false. It's DRM is ADE which is can be supported by anyone, Even Amazon could change their tune.
So it's not a locked DRM to a specific bookstore.

Our friend likes to imply places like Google, Kobo and the like do use their own specific DRM

[ApK]

Originally Posted by wallcraft

MOBI is not as capable as ePub

In what way? Do you have any specifics?

I see a lot of people saying this, but I can't seem to find any specific justification. I don't feel like making the effort of reading and comparing both specs, I'm just hoping to find someone who knows.

I do know that ePub can encapsulate larger images, but other than that?

From a practical standpoint, I've converted dozens of books from ePub to Mobi and can't seem to find any difference.

ApK

[boswd]

Originally Posted by HarryT

The word "proprietary" simply means "somebody's property". That's all it means. ADE is absolutely unquestionably a proprietary DRM technology. It is owned by Adobe.



Anybody who chooses to pay Adobe large sums of money can support ADE, certainly. Just as anybody can choose to have their books sold by Amazon. It's a free market. ADE is no more and no less proprietary than Amazon's DRM system. Both are owned by companies who are in business to make money. There's nothing wrong with that.



I certainly didn't interpret his post as saying that.

Well when he makes statements like "All US online bookstores your their own DRM", there is pretty only one way to view that.

Can anyone buy the support to sell Kindle books? That's the difference. Anyone can choose to support ADOBE, but not every can choose to support Kindle. IOW's ADE is open for sale to the Public, AZW is not. there's a big difference.