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It seems to me that this whole issue of "future proofing" is a non-issue.
One doesn't need to own particular books to be assured of being able to read them in the future. Reading technologies will keep changing but good reads will always be in demand and as long as there is a demand, there will be means to satisfy it. I think of my current smartphones and tablets as being like Bic disposable lighters; I will use them for a few years and then something cheaper and better will come along. I'm counting on it. That's the way it's always been in my lifetime and I trust it will continue. I note that the UK and the US have recently embarked on long-term projects to make digital holdings more readily available in the future. I expect this trend to continue. Thus, there will be great shared storehouses of online material readily available to everyone on the planet. So we don't need to think in terms of hoarding our own little private libraries. If you're a collector of classic works and somehow get a warm fuzzy feeling from "ownership" then that's fine, everyone needs a hobby. But for most people who are just looking for something good to read, according to my crystal ball, the future will provide lots of good stuff and I wouldn't worry about the exact form it takes. |
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Life's too short to worry about trying to control a future you can't predict.
Also, too short to read all the good stuff that has been written. Hence, much too short to re-read the same books over and over. And I am always amazed by how much energy we all put into preservation - in this case, of digital content. Yes, mine is 2 cent philosophy. But the truth is, technologies are becoming obsolete at an astonishing fast pace. Too little time, to swim against that current. |
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If there's call for it, somebody, somewhere, will come up with a reader (probably an existing one, archived somewhere). If there's no call for it, nobody will miss it. As for .LIT being dead, perhaps nobody is publishing new stuff in it today, but Calibre will still import it, and convert to and from it. Calibre is not an obscure, unknown program with no active support. You don't need a reader to handles dead formats, you only need a converter to a current format. And covnerters are not at all hard to make (though making one work well can be a challenge, but you only need it solved once). |
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(I did Y2K prep for my job. On mission critical systems, like cash registers. Either stuff works, or we're out of business. I found about 99.9999999% of the nonsense put out about Y2K to be hysterical bullshit, peddled by somebody selling a book. "Give me money or your children will be eaten by dingos." Yawn.) Quote:
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I have a nook color, and buy nearly all by books from B&N. I routinely run books from the manufacturer of my device through Calibre's EPUB to EPUB conversion, optomized for my specific device (not supported by B&N any more already), for the very reason you mention. I've had two books so far (well, five, really, one was an omnibus of four books) that I had to for them to be readable at all. But that's not a file format problem. Nor is it an obsolecence problem. And it's a hell of a lot easier to fix than a badly printe paper book. I can fix a broken EPUB myself. A paper book with, say, missing or out of order pages, or smeared ink, or some other problem that's just incompetence on the part of the publisher, I'm out of luck. I've never had pages fall out of an ebook. And I never will. I've never had the cover come off an ebook. And I never will. (And even if I did, I could easily replace it with one I like better anyway.) I've never had high-acid paper turn brown and crumble when I touch it with an ebook. And I never will. I've never lost an ebook because I don't have the time, space or money to keep archival copies. And I never will. I've never lost my place in an ebook because the book mark fell out. And I never will. The bottom line is that an ebook library is a lot easier to maintain than a paper book library, in terms of time, money, trouble and necessary expertise. And making archival copies are orders of magnitude easier on every count than even the simple maintence. |
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I will quietly point out that my 89 yo very non-technical mother finds calibre to be beyond her. Of course, she also can't figure out how to connect her kindle to the usb port on her computer, so using calibre is moot at this point. Alas, I'm too far away to go over there and show her how to do it ... again.
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That is in no way whatsoever a limitation of ebook formats, and certainly isn't going to have any effect on preserving ebook libraries (remember what the thread was about?). That was incompetence on the publisher's part, same as typos, misspelling, bad grammar, missing pages, or crappy paper on a paper book. Quote:
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And where they have to go to buy new books isn't an issue for maintaining a paper book library. Try to stay on one subject at a time. People who have vision problems are about 100000% more likely to prefer ebook readers because they can adjust the font size easily. Something they can't do on a paper book. Quote:
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The hassle of buying a book on an ebook reader generally consists of using the search function to find what you want, and buying it. A minute or two later, it's downloaded and ready to go. Most people buy all their books through the reader (and Kindle and Amazon have, what, 75% of the market outright?). That's a lot less trouble than putting your shoes (or pants) on, finding the car keys, fighting traffic, finding the right section of the books store, hoping they have it in stock, waiting at the cash register, fighting traffic home, finding a parking spot, and then, finally, heading off to bed because you're tired. Maybe you'll read tomorrow. There are hassles in buying ebooks. They are considerably less, overall, than they hassles of buying paper books, which you can't do while sitting on the toilet. The hassles of maintaining your ebook library are orders of magnitude less than maintaining a paper book library of the same size, as I have discussed, and you have not disputed. |
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