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Old 07-14-2012, 08:10 AM   #301
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SD cards get swapped quite a bit in DSLR cameras, just like rolls of film--RAW format pics can be huge, and shooting in bursts you can fill a card quickly. DSLR owners may be more inclined to card swap in other devices, too, being used to it. In my phone, removing the SD card requires pulling the back off and removing the battery, so it's pretty clearly not intended for swapping on the fly (even if I didn't keep half my apps on there).
Notice that it was micro-SD card that was not designed for swapping. So is it really micro-SD card that are used in cameras and in other machinery were people swap card often?
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Notice that it was micro-SD card that was not designed for swapping. So is it really micro-SD card that are used in cameras and in other machinery were people swap card often?
I use micro SD for everything. I even have micro SD adapters for Sony Pro Duo.
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Notice that it was micro-SD card that was not designed for swapping. So is it really micro-SD card that are used in cameras and in other machinery were people swap card often?
Why do you believe that microSD cards were not designed for swapping?
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Why do you believe that microSD cards were not designed for swapping?
The associated literature says so explicitly quite often. Their design and size is conducive to loss or damage and the way they are inserted into many devices is not conducive to easy access.
Full size sd cards (or micros kept in in an adapter) as are typically used in dslrs ARE designed for more frequent swapping.
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I believe some cameras use micro-SD; otherwise the existence of class 10 micro-SDs is pretty pointless, as their optimized write speeds are neither desirable nor achievable in most devices other than high-megapixel digital cameras.
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Notice that it was micro-SD card that was not designed for swapping. So is it really micro-SD card that are used in cameras and in other machinery were people swap card often?
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It really is not a matter if the card is designed for swapping or not, since the interface is identical to full size SD cards which are specifically designed for hot swapping. That means that a micro SD can be hot swapped as well. There are cell phones, cameras, and various tablet devices that use and are designed for hot swappable micro SD cards. There is NO technical reason that a micro SD card cannot be swapped and moved between multiple devices.
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There is NO technical reason that a micro SD card cannot be swapped and moved between multiple devices.
No one's talking about "can" and "cannot," just whether many people find swapping worthwhile and whether it's a significant selling point for having a slot in a tablet. The slots are marketed as a means of expanding permanent storage up to the maximum card size (16/32/64GB), which I think appeals to a lot more people than carrying around 400GB of media on 6 different cards (and probably a color-coded spreadsheet tracking what's on which card). Either way, I'm not going to get anywhere near carrying "All of it!" I'll have to winnow and manage and make decisions with energy that I could be devoting to a creative and/or profitable project, and/or jabbering on forums or playing competitive games online
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:09 PM   #308
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No one's talking about "can" and "cannot," just whether many people find swapping worthwhile and whether it's a significant selling point for having a slot in a tablet. The slots are marketed as a means of expanding permanent storage up to the maximum card size (16/32/64GB), which I think appeals to a lot more people than carrying around 400GB of media on 6 different cards (and probably a color-coded spreadsheet tracking what's on which card). Either way, I'm not going to get anywhere near carrying "All of it!" I'll have to winnow and manage and make decisions with energy that I could be devoting to a creative and/or profitable project, and/or jabbering on forums or playing competitive games online
It's hard to say since so many slots are buried inside the device. I swap cards. I would not swap cards if I had to pry the device open every time.

I have more cards than I need. The only management that I need to do on a daily basis is the 2 seconds to pop in the correct card. I haven't had to juggle or delete a single thing from the device this year.
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I was simply referring to comments like this that appear on much MicroSD literature:

"Due to the ultra small size of the product, it is not intended to be handled or removed on a frequent basis."

You can Google that, and you'll see it's like a stock phrase.
It's not that it's not electrically designed for it, or that some devices don't have nice pop-out side slots, but pry those little suckers in and out of slot wedged next to a SIM card under a battery often enough and something bad happening is not far fetched.
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I was simply referring to comments like this that appear on much MicroSD literature:

"Due to the ultra small size of the product, it is not intended to be handled or removed on a frequent basis."

You can Google that, and you'll see it's like a stock phrase.
It's not that it's not electrically designed for it, or that some devices don't have nice pop-out side slots, but pry those little suckers in and out of slot wedged next to a SIM card under a battery often enough and something bad happening is not far fetched.
I think that may be on the level of McDonald's warning that coffee is hot. CYA legalese. Micros are probably not as robust as regular SD but I've not had an issue with them so far, though I do try to treat them gently. I know someone who has accumulated a bunch of unlocked phones over the years and when he has visitors who need temporary phones he can be swapping SIM cards like a maniac. So far they've all survived, and all his "travel through Europe without roaming" ones too.
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I think that may be on the level of McDonald's warning that coffee is hot. CYA legalese.
If that were all it was, they'd say it about full size SD cards, USB keys, DVDs (they can scratch, after all), etc...they don't. Those things were designed for that purpose.
I'm not saying don't swap cards, I'm saying if you mess with the little beggars taking them in and out enough. don't be surprised if they fail more often than a full size SD card or USB key.

And by the way, The McDonalds coffee thing is the OPPOSITE of what you are suggesting this is. The coffee is hot, and the are stating the obvious. In this case you seem to be suggesting the cards do not have any concern over frequent handling and yet they are saying so anyway.
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If that were all it was, they'd say it about full size SD cards, USB keys, DVDs (they can scratch, after all), etc...they don't. Those things were designed for that purpose.
I'm not saying don't swap cards, I'm saying if you mess with the little beggars taking them in and out enough. don't be surprised if they fail more often than a full size SD card or USB key.

And by the way, The McDonalds coffee thing is the OPPOSITE of what you are suggesting this is. The coffee is hot, and the are stating the obvious. In this case you seem to be suggesting the cards do not have any concern over frequent handling and yet they are saying so anyway.
Actually I said that they are probably not as robust as regular SDs, so they are covering their asses. That's not to say that handled carefully they are more likely to break, only that they may be more prone to breaking, it just means you have to handle them a bit more carefully than regular SDs. Rather than get sued by those who don't handle them carefully they use the legalese. Your comment about some of the tight situations they're used in are also relevant. And to get back on topic, I'd still prefer to be able to swap one on a regular basis than have no slot at all.
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Well, after all this discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, maybe it's time for an on topic post?
The lack of an SD port is always a deal breaker for me, be it micro or macro. Since I do not consider myself an inept klutz, I do not care if the port is micro SD or full size SD. In fact, I only buy micro SD cards now since they can be adapted to the full size when necessary in older devices. In most cases I do just use them for storage expansion, but for a few devices I do use several of them depending on what I want.
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I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but there is another important reason for an SD card: getting your data off of the device when it inevitably fails. Data saved to onboard memory cannot be retrieved. Data on an SD card can be retrieved. Of course, you can use network backups to get around that. But network backups won't be as up to date as the actual saved data for most of us.

As for durability: I suspect that the uSD card slot is more prone to failure than an SD card slot, while the cards are just as durable. (Smaller mechanisms for ejecting. Smaller contacts holding the slot to the board -- and they are more likely to be surface mount only without through-hole posts.)
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I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but there is another important reason for an SD card: getting your data off of the device when it inevitably fails. Data saved to onboard memory cannot be retrieved. Data on an SD card can be retrieved. Of course, you can use network backups to get around that. But network backups won't be as up to date as the actual saved data for most of us.
And that is the most important reason to have a (micro)SD slot, regardless of whether or not you actually *need* the extra storage space - and the big reason why it's mainly those with their own clouds to sell space on that haven't put them in.

So glad my Kobo Touch has a microSD slot - so nice to not have to redownload my books every time I have to factory reset (haven't had to do it for several months now, and only once since I got a microSD, but 3-4 times before that. I also sideload my Kobo-bought books through calibre - thanks, Alf! :P - so nothing is on the internal storage other than system files.
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