01-19-2009, 06:49 PM | #1 | |
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"Magic Street" by Orson Scott Card
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The book throws a whole lot of crazy at you at first, and then it all starts to make sense after that, OSC stops trying so hard and just writes, the story flows into you as each mystery is unfolded. All the magic in the world is revealed, he ties a lot of the fantastic fiction into this, focusing mostly around the fairies in a mid summers night dream. It was an original look on old fables and very enjoyable. And it’s nice to see a story with an ending from OSC. |
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01-19-2009, 07:59 PM | #2 |
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I can only urge that people boycott books by Card. He has advocated violent revolution against the US government should gay marriage become widely legal.
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01-19-2009, 08:12 PM | #3 | |
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He writes those essays to Invoke discussion, honestly, no one will ever change their views on gay marriage, but for those who dont care, when they read something like that they are pushed to the Pro gay marriage side. Card is also a widely Religious man, yet he writes science fiction, and in this novel, he makes a Priest not believe in himself and doubt his service to god. and in the alvin maker series, many characters dont believe in god, in fact the white men, those who believes in his god, are a plague upon the land. his writing in novels do not try to convert you. Essays are essays, In my time i have written many essays which i do not agree with, they are there to invoke discussion. They are there for you to say I disagree with that. In reading those essays you didnt find them over the top? I believe he wrote it to say quite the opposite. |
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01-19-2009, 09:23 PM | #5 | |
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but if a church wants to marry two gays, i think it should be allowed. short and simple. btw andurian, OSC's website is a great place where you can talk about your feelings about this, it you want to have a rationale discussion about this anyway. though this thread is about a Novel Written by Orson Scott Card, Attacking Card for his Political Views is as wrong as someone attacking an author cause he is gay. Andurian, who is stopping you from writing a counter Essay? You can even try to get it published, If not, you can post it on OSCs website forum and i bet he would even read it. (I can see OSC's plan now, OSC writes science fiction to support his plot to overthrow the US government... come on) |
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01-20-2009, 12:10 AM | #6 |
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[QUOTE=Andybaby;330728]Attacking Card for his Political Views is as wrong as someone attacking an author cause he is gay./QUOTE]
Attacking people for their political views is entirely reasonable and a longstanding tradition in western culture. If you're saying that attacking people for evil political views (see Hitler, Stalin, Machiavelli) is wrong, I'm not a good target audience. And equating a political position, which is chosen, with homosexuality, which is not, is ridiculous. |
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OMG, TWO! Such an insanely high number! I'm clearly posting that practically everywhere! As I posted elsewhere, I was at work and could not post the link. I'm happy you did, so people can go and read firsthand what a reactionary bigot OSC is. And, as for calling people liars because they interpret things differently than you, shame on you, DesertGrandma, shame on you. |
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Moral relativism has its place, on the bookshelf next to the books on intelligent design and the celestial spheres. Judging someone because they make stupid choices is sometimes best done privately, but publicly responding to public stupidity is exactly what is required. The essay linked is not reality-based in any meaningful way. As is common with people who have a grasp of rhetoric, he throws in enough truth to hopefully confuse people, but not enough in this case. Not to mention that the occasional truth stands out because it contradicts the rest of his argument. Oops. Quote:
That said, I won't buy his books because he's lost the plot. Some of his earlier novels were quite good, but the later ones have gone downhill to the point of unreadability. And the more I find out about his delusions, the more I'm convinced that he wouldn't want my heathen, unnatural, gay-sex-tainted money. Actually, speaking of weird belief systems that make no sense, our local red Cross have truly bizarre rules about donating blood. Specifically, as a bisexual male I can donate blood if I sign to say I haven't had sex with another guy for the last year. Fine. But my female partner cannot give blood, because she's had sex with a gay or bisexual male. |
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And the Points a made address this. the political views of the author have no bearing on the novel itself unless the author brings those views into the novel. I also love the way you misquote me by taking what i said out of the context of the post(which i cleared up above). And you ignore my opinions of you yourself writing an essay, and my opinions of essays as a whole. can we stop looking to attack someone? |
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Anyone who has studied ethics knows that one of its basic tenets is that there is not [necessarily] any relationship between what is moral and what is legal. Moral refers to right and wrong, good and evil. Laws are meant to control behaviors within societies. This control of behavior is necessary [in the view of governments] to maintain an orderly society [within their definition of an "orderly society"]. From a moral philosophical perspective, many laws can be strongly argued to be immoral/evil.
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You cannot post such an inflammatory comment with backing it up with the source, without being called on it. Just to make things clear, I have no affiliation with mormons. Actually, there is no organized religion I have any respect for. My opinions are my own, without being told by anyone, from any party, what to think. You made a very serious charge based on your interpretation of what you read, without quoting basis for it. That is every bit as reactionary as what you claim this person did. Now I'm going to have to go buy all his books. |
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I don't consider an author's opinions when selecting a book. All I care about is whether the book is any good. I've long since realised that people I'd consider nasty can still make great art - annoying but true . The real problem is when an author sledgehammers his views into the narrative to such an extent it spoils the effect (I found this with Philip Pullman's 'Dark Materials' books - I actually agree with his views, but got fed up being battered round the head by them). |
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Andurian - I think you're better off arguing about this somewhere else. |
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I'm an Atheist, and though god plays a part in almost all his novels, he isn't trying to convert me. He portrays many of his characters as Jesus Like in Ability in this book and in the Alvin Maker Series, (and to a Lesser Extent Ender) but in Alvin Maker, Christians are a Plague upon the Land, and Jesus just had a Knack like Alvin Does in Ender, a Different Cult Religion has taken over the Universe, Speaker for the dead. and in this Novel their is a priest who recites miracles and doubts his gift is from god and Implies Jesus was a Fairy, or Fairy Spawn. His writings do not try to change you mind about his religion. In fact in the Speaker Series, it is quite a though provoking series on Xenophobia, which can be applied to Homophobia and Racism. |
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