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A rebuttal from March this year. Check the resume if you don't know whether to believe the arguments. |
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Hardly a ringing endorsement. GPL v2 section 2.b:You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. A scrubbed header is surely a derived work of the original? And the original header is a part of the Program. And again, my point was not whether this does or doesn't violate the GPL, it was that if Apple had done it rather than Google, it would not have been handled the same way. From the article: "Thus, I'd guess that even if it turned out that Google made some mistakes in this regard for Bionic, we'd all work together to rectify those mistakes so that the outcome everyone intended could occur." I don't think the same attitude would be taken were it not Google. (Edit: List of Android tablets with whether they are GPL compliant or not (excluding this issue): http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/) Last edited by murraypaul; 08-16-2011 at 10:41 AM. |
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Perhaps it's just the "media" latching onto it and not reporting the full picture, but that's why I thought that post was worth reading. It's as close as an argument against google infringing as you can possible get without doing the analysis to prove one way or the other. In addition, the closing part Quote:
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Which sadly is something I don't believe would happen had it been hardware manufacturers in violation. Too many of those don't really care and will do all they can to delay or release in-appropriate source. |
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I also think that in the VLC case, the necessary work hasn't been done to show that Apple were violating the GPL, yet the way ... etcetera. But strangely the reactions came down on different sides of the fence |
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In regards to whether header files count as derivatives, there's a post here that addresses it to an extent. Whether that has bearing on Googles case, I'm not a lawyer so have no idea. But this is straight from the horses mouth so to speak. http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/li...01.1/0362.html Please don't think I'm trying to pick a fight over this. In fact I'm not sure where I sit on the topic, other than I dislike the way the media have initially reported this. Last edited by JoeD; 08-16-2011 at 12:19 PM. |
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This loophole was addressed by GPLv3, and I think it is pretty clear that GPLv3 applications could not be distributed through iTunes, but it is not obvious that the same applies to GPLv2. (GPLv2 explictly says "Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope." GPLv3 says "This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program.") Quote:
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Whilst it would also be an issue with GPL'd apps on the App store (especially in a spirit of the license sense), it as you say may not have been a violation by the letter of the license. Users could freely copy and modify the app even though signing prevented them from subsequently running it. GPL 3 clause was added to resolve that. However, that in itself wouldn't have prevented the distribution of GPL'd software on the App store, it would just side step the spirit of the GPL. If that were the only issue, VLC and other GPL'd apps would be fine from a distribution point of view. What I think caused problems with GPL2 licensed software however, such as VLC, is Apple's addition of extra license restrictions at the time of distribution which is prohibited by the GPL. However, as said, I've not studied the GPL versions in much detail, so take the above with a pinch of salt. I could be talking rubbish |
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I have to laugh at how far off topic this thread has got )
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