06-11-2013, 02:19 PM | #31 | |
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It's not about finding reviewers/critics that share the same tastes as you. It's about finding critics who consistently critique books in a manner that's useful. It's about learning how their likes/dislikes map (or don't map) to your own reading experiences. Absolutely! |
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06-11-2013, 02:58 PM | #32 | |
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06-11-2013, 03:00 PM | #33 | |
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06-11-2013, 03:20 PM | #34 | |
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Unless one is in the habit of constantly snatching up books at complete and utter random (with absolutely no external input other than what's printed in the publisher's catalog), then the "amount of garbage out there" is really hardly relevant. In other words... who cares that you have a better chance of blindly stumbling into a competently written, traditionally published book if you're not in the habit of blindly stumbling around choosing books you hope are competently written? |
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06-11-2013, 03:25 PM | #35 | |
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06-11-2013, 03:32 PM | #36 |
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One of the best things of having jumped into the e-reading bandwagon was having access to authors who don't publish traditionally or whose pbooks don't reach my country, but their self-published books do.
Some authors I enjoyed (and whose books were well formatted and practically free of spelling/grammar errors): Shayne Parkinson (All I want, Promises to Keep series) Alan Hutchenson (Boomerang) Vicky Tyley (all her mysteries) Luther Blisset (Q) Allison Wesley (His Robot Girlfriend/His Robot Wife) Richard Herley (The Penal Colony, The drowning) Patricia Ryan (Still Life with murder) Rebecca Forster (Hostile Witness) Marion Stein (The death trip) Karl Drinkwater (Turner, Cold Fusion 2000) Cory Doctorow (Little Brother) Simon Haynes (Hal Spacejock) There's life outside the big publishers... |
06-11-2013, 03:51 PM | #37 | |
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06-11-2013, 04:19 PM | #38 | |
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Chris Strange: The Man Who Crossed Worlds Andrea Host: Stained Glass Monsters Those are two indies who come to mind in that genre. Both those are excellent books. Wool did not interest me enough to even pick it up...and a friend of mine read it and found it on the depressing side so I know I won't be picking it up! |
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06-11-2013, 04:48 PM | #39 |
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Thanks for the recommendations - I'll certainly take a look at them!
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06-11-2013, 05:11 PM | #40 |
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I've read a few self published books. Usually I've gotten them free or nearly so. I don't snap up anything free, if the blurb interests me and the ratings are fair I give it a shot. I've yet to find a book I didn't like. Yeah there might be some errors but as long as the errors don't interfer with my reading then it's not an issue. Formatting is a big turnoff much more so that " it or its or it's ". I can figure the gramatical/spelling errors out but formatting drives me nuts. On the same token, I've felt like throwing across the room some books from the big publishing houses that have gotten all these enormous praises (David Sedaris books for one which I loathe and I like humor). So I think, this so called publisher or whatever he is is pretty much stuck up IMO. Yeah probably most self published books are crap but you might just find a gem in that crap that you wouldn't have gotten to read if you waited for elite publishers to accept the book and the writer. How many indi music artists have you listened to? For all the crap I've found many many indi artists who are better than most well known recording stars.
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06-11-2013, 05:39 PM | #41 | |
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06-11-2013, 05:53 PM | #42 | |
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I do storyline editing and also copyediting in conjunction with my husband. I generally work from referrals as well. So as to not be tooting my own horn, depending on what you are looking for, I can probably point you to a couple of other editors...one comes to mind that I haven't used, but I know she used to edit for one of the small publishers. Samhain? maybe? Not sure. I'd have to look. She's expensive from what I recall. They're out there. But you have to shop around, know what you are paying for (copyediting is entirely different from storyline editing and so on). It depends on what you need, but they are available all the way from 'last minute, quick read-through' for 25 dollars to 1700 for a package deal. |
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06-11-2013, 06:04 PM | #43 | |
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I adore the self-pub ebook explosion; I read lots of self-published books, and... the vast majority are atrocious. Everyone with a word processor thinks he's an author. There are thousands of books available for sale that haven't been been hit with Microsoft Word's spellcheck, much less any actual grammar check, and no story/content editing whatsoever. There's a small fraction of the self-pub market that's making big inroads on traditional publishing. That fraction is almost all well-written and innovative, and a lot of it is groundbreaking. There are some amazing books now available that traditional publishers wouldn't touch because they didn't fit genre expectations or didn't have "trendy" themes. However, outside of that small number of terrific self-pub books, there are huge swarms of content for which the kindest thing that can be said is "the idea might be interesting if a good editor worked it over." I consider it very much worth putting up with that content in order to get access to the good stuff. (Well, where "putting up with" means "clicking past it on Smashwords;" I try to avoid reading it.) I don't try to convince anyone that "most" self-pub ebooks are worth reading. |
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06-11-2013, 06:28 PM | #44 | |
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Stained Glass Monsters is better written although not my type of reading material. Her sentences did tend to ramble. She used very few adjectives instead preferring long prepositional phrases and run on sentences. Writing could be more concise. I also wasn't sure (possibly because I didn't read enough) whether this was a cozy para or low fantasy novel. I wouldn't call it "rubbish" but I wouldn't recommend it either. Easily forgettable. |
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06-11-2013, 06:31 PM | #45 | |
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As the saying goes, "One person's trash is another's treasure." One person's "literary masterpiece" is another's boring pretentious trash or empty cliched junk. Again: tastes vary. There is room for everybody. Where things get dicey is when people (with clear axes to grind) try to overgeneralize from some (indie/trad-pub) books are crap/good to *all* such are crap/good. That kind of overstatement is simple meaningless noise. I may think the Snookie book is a waste of dead tree pulp but a lot of somebodies out there were quite willing to drop a good chunk of change on that "waste". I might chuckle at that but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Live and let die, guys. Nobody is going to change their minds here. But keep those recommendations coming; I'm taking notes. |
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