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For people who don't care to throw that much money at software (which is reasonable; I worked with them professionally for years before I decided to spend my own money on them), I like the diybookscanner system (which I haven't tried but intend to) and/or something like Irfanview, which is open-source, free, works portably (you can put it on a flash drive), and a lot more versatile than I've ever had the need to sort out. |
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How is that different from "I borrowed a book for two weeks and scanned it so I could read it later, when I had more time?" |
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I see where the OP is coming from. Most movies these days offer up to 3 different formats in the package-blu-ray, dvd and digital. Many cds include downloadable extras if you buy the physical package. Even video games come with perks for those who buy new.
I don't think you deserve a paperback copy but a fundamentally different format that (supposedly) costs next to nothing? A case can be made for it. If publishers want customers to buy their products instead of just pirating them, they need to increase the perceived value of the product. Is one "entitled" to it? No. But I think it would certainly increase customer goodwill. Whatever they choose to do, publishers are in the same situation that music publishers were in and they've got to adapt or die. Business as usual won't sustain them for very long. One thing that I've always wondered: why are books never on sale? I'm not talking Amazon, I'm talking in-store. A book could be several years old but it'll sit there at full retail until it rots. Every other product has sales or price-drops, why not books? |
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how does giving it away for free increase the perceived value?
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07-24-2011, 12:29 AM | #51 | |
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Where I live books go on sale exactly the same as anything else when they have sat too long at their original price and it's time to move them on or when there is a generic X% off sale. |
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I ain't no lawyer, but you are talking about apples vs oranges. Listen to the very end credits of NFL games though. Usually there is a voiceover warning specifically prohibiting the ..."duplication, broadcasting and re-transmission of this telecast without express written consent..." Substitute "...borrowing, scanning and uploading/distribution of this book without express written consent..." for what we are talking about. Last edited by lestatar; 07-24-2011 at 04:46 AM. |
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Of course, one significant thing that the MPAA and the RIAA fails to realize is exactly how miserable a failure the War On Drugs has been. There will always be supply, always another drug dealer, always another Robin Hood uploader. Far better to deal with the demand, in this case, educating people on the evils of drugs and why grabbing copywrited, protected stuff for free might really be taking food out of other people's mouths. Like I said, I ain't no angel, but I also have thousands of pbooks and CDs/DVDs that I have legitimately purchased in my lifetime. 'nuff said on this from me. cheers, -les Last edited by lestatar; 07-24-2011 at 04:49 AM. |
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Think of it this way. When going to court, proving whether or not you have an unauthorized copy is extremely difficult, and even if they could is almost inconsequential based on how most laws are written. Due to that, they have to base their court cases on the transaction, which in that case the person breaking the laws is the person doing the giving. You have to think of having, and receiving as two separate things. If you download, but never upload, the laws you broke come in to play once you have the file. Since they can only track, and easily prove the transfer, that other part doesn't come into play for the plaintiffs or prosecution. However, almost everyone downloading also uploads, due to how modern P2P networks are designed. You're uploading parts even before the file is finished downloading. Now, I'm probably making a mess of this, at which point if I am, I'll come back when I have slept. |
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To me this is the best explanation so far. Even if I own the paperback, i do not get a second or 3 copy of that paperback free, never mind the hard cover, or audio version. Now any publisher that wanted to could offer that, but thats their right to call, and your right as a customer to call them up and request it (but they can and likely will deny siad request). |
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Getting by illegal means another copy of something you already own and could easily live without seems a bit silly to me.
Aim higher, shoplift or rob a butcher shop. You already have hamburger, so why shouldn't you get a free steak? Helen |
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I don't see it as an obligation for the seller to offer a buyer a free electronic version of an book.
There are however publishers who offer either free or highly discounted e-books as an inducement to buy their print books. This is fairly common in with tech publishers like O'Reilly, No Starch, Apress, Informit, Manning etc. Several of them offer the opposite as well, buy an e-book and get the published book at a discount. |
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I don't see a problem in an author, publisher or bookseller packaging ebooks with printed books for a discount if they so desire. If I actually sold printed copies of my novels, I'd consider it too.
I do disagree, though, with the implied sentiment by some that an ebook is somehow of less (or no) value compared to a printed book. I see ebooks as a greater value than printed books, because of their higher portability and flexibility, and lower production and distribution costs. I have the same opinion regarding MP3s and CDs or albums. So suggesting that the physical media is somehow better or more valuable than the digital media is, to my thinking, backwards. Regarding format-shifting: Yes, doing it yourself (and not allowing others to obtain copies, nor obtaining others' copies) is the only legal way to do it. True, it's a lot more of a pain in the neck with books, but that doesn't allow you to circumvent the law, any more than you are allowed to leave the road and drive through private property just because it's a shorter distance to your destination. In short, I don't see that any consumer has a "right" to get a free product because they bought a different format of that same product. But any seller has the "right" to offer their product in bundles, discounts or deals if they so choose. Last edited by Steven Lyle Jordan; 07-25-2011 at 10:32 AM. |
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So from the downloaders/scanners perspective it's the same thing. But the uploader shouldn't have been providing copies in the first place. |
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