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There is a conflict here between the copyright laws for authors and the rights of the handicapped. Under US law the handicapped rights trump those of copyright in this case. Period. |
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02-11-2009, 11:32 AM | #33 |
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whoops....how did Amazon goof this up
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02-11-2009, 12:19 PM | #34 | |
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I suppose this is another one that will be argued or perhaps negotiated at length. |
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Audio rights and TTS are vastly different things. Actually even audio rights and people reading aloud from a book whether to someone, to themselves or to a large audience are different things. Where you get into recording and disseminating said readings, it gets trickier, but even there there is room to argue about rights and such. Honestly, I am astounded that publishers/writers can be so obtuse to put it nicely - see how vilified RIAA is. The Amazon issue is in itself not that important since I expect any legal attempt will be thrown out of court with possible prejudice, and I do not think obtuseness extends that far, while Kindle boycott threats are self-defeating especially for small presses that do not have an easy chain distribution channel - to fight with Amazon seems suicide to me for any but the largest of the large media corporations But to see this automatic reflex of "hey I may make an extra penny there and anyway why should the *** get something for me for free", notwithstanding that the reaction may cost you a pound in many other ways is still mind-boggling for me, especially in the era of vilification of big media and angst among publishers.... |
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Do I understand correctly that the position being taken by those who think Amazon is within its rights is that as long as it is a machine voice rather than a live being it is OK? No matter how good a voice it is? (Think Hal in 2001.) If so, then perhaps the way to resolve matters for the consumer is to have Amazon or someone else record books using mechanical/robotic voices to read the text and then distribute them free over the Internet to anyone interested. After all, if Amazon's system doesn't violate copyright, this shouldn't either. Do you think JK Rowling would agree? |
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02-11-2009, 03:54 PM | #38 |
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Here is the relevant statute, for those who wish to examine it.
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02-11-2009, 04:03 PM | #39 |
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Amazon is not distributing audio versions of content for the text to speech feature. It is distributing text, which is being converted into speech programatically. It is clearly fair use when done for personal use.
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Thhere is a vast difference between text to speech for personal use, and public performance/broadcast of the same.
Are you suggesting that parents reading bedtime stories to their children are violating authors' copyrights? After all, if the children are lucky, it's being read with much better emotion and vocal inflection than any text to speech programme is capable of. Should parents be forced to buy a spoken word version of a book, and play it at bedtime while pointing to the printed words in the book? After all, reading aloud is an obvious violation of copyright. Of course not. I'm being absurd. As are you. Quote:
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That Engadget article referred to above seems to have a good take on it. Legally I expect that this is a gray area. That's why I said right off that the Guild's statement was not without merit. But I still don't agree with it. |
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I hope if they sue, Amazon wins because it could effect more then e-books. My GPS is text to speech, when I'm driving I would rather have the directions read to me instead of me reading it from the screen. Not every GPS have that capability, my old Tom Tom did not but I have a new Garmin bought during the Christmas holidays and it does.
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What in the world are you talking about? If you're referring to the disabilities act giving certain rights, no one has disputed that. It has nothing to do with the question for the general public.
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