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I note that you have not yet managed to actually admit that you believe it's OK to go in to a store and tie up their sales people with no intention of buying anything, costing them the opportunity for that sales person to sell something to someone else (and possibly make a commission of their own), but that seems to be your position. Is that correct? Do you, in fact, think it's "bonkers" for the store and the sales person to find that less than desirable? |
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Perhaps you'd like to respond to what I actually said, instead. Or perhaps not. |
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To make this example a little more accurate: if you buy it from Amazon, then tie up their customer service with numerous e-mails, then return it to buy somewhere else -- yes, that would be equally wrong. unless customer service did something to annoy you.
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Again, by invoking "Conscience" you are implying that the question of whether this is an ethical issue is already settled in favour of the affirmative - which is just the point at issue. As far as I can understand what you are saying you seem to be simply asserting two things: 1, browsing without buying is an ethical issue, and 2, browsing without buying has a negative ethical value. But you have not told me in virtue of what you think that 1 is true - other than that you think or feel it's true, and therefore 2 simply doesn't arise.
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Having re-read all your posts in this thread You have still not demonstrated in virtue of what does "having not intention of buying" (sic), have an ethical value? All you have done is expressed a feeling about it - which is not the same thing at all.
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Bookshops are built to browse in - that's why Waterstones (in Aberdeen) allows you to browse a book whilst you buy a coffee - nothing in the store says you have to buy the book ....
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02-14-2013, 07:52 AM | #146 |
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Bookstores, and indeed a lot of stores, are set up so that if people have time to kill they might spend it there, as the more time people spend in a store, the more likely they are to spend money, and the more money they're likely to spend. There's nothing wrong with going into a store to browse. That's part of the point of setting up a brick-and-mortar store. People stopping in when they're in the area and have a little extra time, and then maybe buying something if something catches their eye, is one of the advantages they have over Amazon.
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If a store sets up their business in such a way that they provide sales people to assist customers, on the assumption that an assisted customer is one that is more likely (but not guaranteed) to buy, then I don't have a problem with someone getting the offered assistance. A person not buying, even after someone has helped them, is the cost the business has chosen to pay in setting up their business in the manner they did. Any time a salesperson helps anyone, he or she is taking a risk that there's a better customer somewhere in the store that he or she is missing out on. The salesperson might be annoyed at a browser, but being annoyed at someone doesn't equal that someone having acted unethically. And just as an aside, I like how you shifted the goalposts in the above from "unethical" to "less than desirable". I also like how you've limited your example to commissioned salespeople. So do we agree that, in the case of a bookstore, which probably doesn't have any commissioned salespeople, it's not reasonable to say someone with no intention of buying has acted unethically, even if they "waste" a salesperson's time? |
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02-14-2013, 12:05 PM | #148 | |
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I hate when the salesman approach me. Just leave me the heck alone, I know why Im here for. The only thing I take from brick and mortar shop is physical space. Maybe if we could browse from outside that would please the lady in the OP's post. Why the hell not, it just another ridiculous idea.. I wish all shops are like the one in Black Books. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJg_WMw56Hw Bookshops should be unique and quirky. The moment you make it in to a business chain you lost something. I miss Europe |
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What, all of it? I can think of only one independent bookshop within 100km of my bit of rural France. FNAC (chain) 60 km and a single small independent 25km, and another chain that's mostly periodicals at 20km. The independent shop has books only in french. The only half decent public library is attached to a university in the same town as the FNAC. Thank you Gutenberg, Baen, and manybooks. Thank you also Amazon, even if I got my Paperwhite six months after the rest of you. Thank you mobileread for your library, for the pd books nicely formatted and the reading recommendations. Coffee in a bookshop? Dream on. Chairs in a bookshop? You jest, surely. If I am really lucky I might find a book with the cellophane removed..... |
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02-14-2013, 12:42 PM | #150 |
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Lol, maybe life in rural France is not the same as life in Prague or Budapest. My idea of Europe I must say refers to a lifestyle more closer related to Central and South-East Europe and not rural France. And of course online shops are nice thing to resort to, but every small town should have one or two of these quirky shops with more then one antiquary shop for books. And most towns in areas of Europe I mentioned have that. Same as I cant imagine every coffee shop in Prague turning into a Starbucks, I cant imagine every bookshop turning into chain store.
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