05-14-2022, 07:22 AM | #46 |
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I thought that "urban fantasy" had it's origin with urban myths - the paranormal creature next door sort of thing.
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I'm getting memories of the great Teen & Young Adult Fiction about Siblings and Teen & Young Adult Siblings Fiction genres on Amazon. And again, both of those terms just describe 98% of fantasy novels, so you're just as well having no tag at all. |
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05-14-2022, 01:19 PM | #48 | |
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Hopepunk seems to be the more accepted term within the SF and fantasy world. It was created by Rowland in 2017. And it has its own Wikipedia thingy. Though the term came about in 2017, The 2014 novel The Goblin Emperor is considered the hopepunk novel. I see them as sort of like categorizations -- like sword and sorcery (coined in 1961 by Fritz Leiber!), space opera (a term created in 1941!), hard SF, soft SF, science fantasy, military SF, dystopian, etc. But these terms are more about mood or tone and can even be combined with those other categories. |
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Take a look at Ghostbusters. Is that Urban Fantasy or Science Fantasy?
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There are only two genres of books.
1. I will like it. 2. I will not like it. Done! |
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Alexandra Rowland has written about what she sees as the difference between noblebright and hopepunk. Quote:
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I tried searching for "books like the goblin emperor" and found this list, which includes She Who Became the Sun. I also searched for "hopepunk" and found this blog post which lists The House in the Cerulean Sea alongside with The Goblin Emperor.
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I think that's the part I find so baffling about this discussion, and is probably the reason I return to it Why does it bother anyone "useless" genres exist? Lots of things are useless to me, but useful to others. If they don't harm me, I simply ignore them. |
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05-15-2022, 07:45 AM | #56 |
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I’ll expand on this to say that “useless to me” genres are in fact useful to me indirectly. What I find most frustrating is the inability to make any kind of useful granular search and it happens frequently. The more “useless” genres, the increased likelihood that some of the genre breakdowns will fit my own parameters.
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I don't particularly need the word cyan to describe a shade of blue, either. But I'd never suggest that it needs to be gone from the entire world's crayon boxes. Red velvet cake with cream cheese icing tastes no different than the same recipe sans food coloring. Do I care if someone claims it as their favorite cake? Well OK, maybe a little bit, but not enough to suggest that particular cake description should be nuked. I'm not the decider of what's "useful" for anyone other than myself. Especially when it comes to petty harmless minutiae like this. Last edited by DiapDealer; 05-15-2022 at 10:05 AM. |
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I’ve said this before in a thread about physical bookstores, because someone had the seeming audacity to say they had not gone to nor planned on going to a bookstore but still would miss them if they were gone.
Imagine being confused about not wanting something which is of use to others to be gone simply because you have no use for it yourself. And there the bookstore would have been taking up finite resources it could have been a store that the individual wanted to visit routinely. Here the addition of sub genres doesn’t even conflict with the genres under which they fall. A grimdark fantasy is still fantasy. |
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Because I'm a grouch! I already mentioned it in posts #1 and #5
Also, I'm not trying to get these stupid genres removed from public consciousness. But it can be an interesting discussion on what practical use many of these seemingly silly tags are to others. Last edited by ZodWallop; 05-15-2022 at 02:51 PM. |
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