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Old 03-22-2013, 10:48 PM   #316
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:10 AM   #317
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I'm going way out on a limb here, like usual, but perhaps if something is touching the screen(Clarification for the terminally pickyune: not necessarily touching, but interrupting the IR beams like a touch would) while the reader has yet to fully power off, the Neonode IR hardware is left powered up because it is detecting an interruption of the beams while the processor shuts down? I'm not sure if the Neonode chip is controlling the IR emitters directly? This might explain why units seem to sleep, but lose power while appearing to be powered down.

It'd be very interesting if someone with an IR sensitive camcorder filmed their Kobo experiencing the problem when shutting it down in a fairly dark room to confirm that the IR shuts down even if there is something in contact with, or near enough to break the IR beams, the screen during power down...

Like I said, way out on a limb. Just a crazy-assed guess, but it might explain some of what has been observed.

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Old 03-23-2013, 04:03 AM   #318
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IR touch used by Kobo does not need finger to touch screen only close enough to screen that touch gesture is detected. Pressure of touch doesn't register on Kobo screens.

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http://ntuzhchen.blogspot.com/2011/0...de-zforce.html
I assume Kobo touch screens lack available multi touch firmware.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:35 AM   #319
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IR touch used by Kobo does not need finger to touch screen only close enough to screen that touch gesture is detected. Pressure of touch doesn't register on Kobo screens.

Search for Neonode IR

http://ntuzhchen.blogspot.com/2011/0...de-zforce.html
I assume Kobo touch screens lack available multi touch firmware.
I think it would be nice if people could send photos of their setups - pictures and thousand words ...
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:00 AM   #320
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Just an additional point, the cover my wife uses is not a sleepcover, it doesn't have any magnets.
And I don't have a Glo, just a new Touch running the Glo firmware. So I don't have the sensor but I do have the same power issue.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:05 AM   #321
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And I don't have a Glo, just a new Touch running the Glo firmware. So I don't have the sensor but I do have the same power issue.
Ok - I've missed something. When you say you have a Touch with the Glo firmware, do you mean that this is an installation you have tried yourself?
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:51 AM   #322
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Ok - I've missed something. When you say you have a Touch with the Glo firmware, do you mean that this is an installation you have tried yourself?
I think he means he has a "newer" Touch which uses the Glo firmware as opposed to an "older" Touch (closer to when they first came out) that uses a slightly different firmware designed specifically for the Touch. The difference normally only matters if you are manually installing the firmware since putting the wrong firmware can brick the Touch.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:24 AM   #323
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I think he means he has a "newer" Touch which uses the Glo firmware as opposed to an "older" Touch (closer to when they first came out) that uses a slightly different firmware designed specifically for the Touch.
Correct. I returned the first Touch* (I'll call it Mk.1) when it started to eat it's battery but only under certain conditions (you can read about that here if you feel so inclined).

I've since had two of the newer version Touches (Mk.2) whose power characteristics consistently match misbehaving Glo's. Hence my interest in the power threads and my suspicions around the firmware rather than the hardware.


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Old 03-24-2013, 09:48 AM   #324
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Hi Folks, I think the issue occurs when something touches the screen on a sleeping [device]…
This is exactly what's happening. Remember my crap 3 day battery life? Well, I've been sleeping my Glo outside of its sleeve since Wednesday and reading more than 5 hours a day (it is now Sunday) and the battery is at 84%.

(VelvetElvis, that's why I asked to know about the case you were using.)

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Indeed, I'd go a bit further and suggest sleeping them with the screen upwards to test.
Yep that's what I've been doing.

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If I read SeeSee's comment properly, there also semmed to be a difference with the sleepcover setting on or off - is that right?
No, I've tested both settings before. Battery drain in sleep mode is not influenced by the sleep cover setting. Nor with magnets in covers either. I have a Kindle sleeve without any magnets.

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I'm going way out on a limb here, like usual, but perhaps if something is touching the screen(Clarification for the terminally pickyune: not necessarily touching, but interrupting the IR beams like a touch would) while the reader has yet to fully power off, the Neonode IR hardware is left powered up because it is detecting an interruption of the beams while the processor shuts down? I'm not sure if the Neonode chip is controlling the IR emitters directly? This might explain why units seem to sleep, but lose power while appearing to be powered down.
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Huh ingesting thought. I think it strange that the IR beams would be left on and listening for interruption during sleep mode. So perhaps you're right: IR breams switch off in sleep mode, but if they're interrupted before sleep mode is fully functional stuff gets messed up. If so, it would mean the battery would work fine even in the cases that touch the screens, as long as you wait a bit before closing the case or putting the device in its sleeve to be sure it's really sleeping...
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This is exactly what's happening.
I have sent Kobo (Sameer and Matt) an email with our discovery. Sameer replied today (his Sunday morning), happy with the info. They'll now be trying to replicate the battery drain.
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I have sent Kobo (Sameer and Matt) an email with our discovery. Sameer replied today (his Sunday morning), happy with the info. They'll now be trying to replicate the battery drain.
Great news! Looking forward to a fix for this one...
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