Pirated ebooks on Amazon?

Daithi · 03-18-2009, 11:38 AM

It looks like the Kindle Store is hosting pirated books. I bought Stephen King's The Stand a little while back on Amazon and noticed that the ebook had a crappy looking cover, like you find on computer generated Project Gutenberg ebooks. At the time I wondered if the book was a pirated copy. Well, the book is no longer available in the Kindle Store, so chances are that it probably was pirated. I've seen other books with crappy covers and/or very low prices and it makes you wonder.

For some obvious examples you can look at 1984, Animal Farm, and Gone with the Wind. These are still copyrighted in the U.S. but not in Australia and Canada. Yet people have started selling them in the Kindle Store.

Seems the Kindle Store is ripe for abuse. It also seems that Amazon should clean up its own mess before accussing others of copyright violations.

Nate the great · 03-18-2009, 11:39 AM

The first 2 Harry Potter novels were in the Kindle Store a while back.

daffy4u · 03-18-2009, 11:55 AM

I purchased "The Stand" with the crappy cover from both Amazon (.azw) and Fictionwise (in LIT).

Ervserver · 03-18-2009, 11:56 AM

More lawsuits waiting to happen

AnemicOak · 03-18-2009, 12:25 PM

The Stand on Amazon has the same 'crappy cover' that a lot of ebooks from that publisher have. It's also the same cover the $50 version from FW has IIRC.

I think it's more likely the publisher was getting a lot of questions asking why it was $9 on Amazon, but $50 at FW & BoB.

S.Canton · 03-18-2009, 12:40 PM

I really can't imagine there being "pirated" books on Amazon; that would be comically bad for business. As AnemicOak said, it was probably the price point being an area of contention.

Alisa · 03-18-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ervserver

More lawsuits waiting to happen

Not necessarily. They might get a DMCA takedown notice but I doubt they'd be sued if they take them down in a timely manner.

whitearrow · 03-18-2009, 12:50 PM

I bought The Stand back in July, and it's still in my purchases list on the MYK page, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pirated version. It's just a fairly generic cover, which quite a few ebooks I bought last summer had, but it does say Doubleday and has a full copyright page (at the end, a stylistic decision I heartily approve). The copyright page is quite long and includes the permissions for all the song excerpts used in the book. If this is a pirated version, it's one with unusual attention to detail

The book is no longer on Amazon, but I would guess it was for some other reason. When the pirated HP books showed up, the people who bought those got refunds and they were pulled from the list of purchased items. The Stand is still available for me to download on the MYK page.

Alisa · 03-18-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by S.Canton

I really can't imagine there being "pirated" books on Amazon; that would be comically bad for business. As AnemicOak said, it was probably the price point being an area of contention.

They allow self publishing. Typically people put their own books up but somebody put up copies of some Harry Potter books awhile back. They were taken down within a day but they were still purchased by quite a few people. It's not like Amazon has people checking every book. These independent seller situations are kind of like ebay. People sell all sorts of knock off designer goods on ebay. Ebay tries to remove questionable auctions when they can but they can't catch everyone right away.

HarryT · 03-18-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

It looks like the Kindle Store is hosting pirated books. I bought Stephen King's The Stand a little while back on Amazon and noticed that the ebook had a crappy looking cover, like you find on computer generated Project Gutenberg ebooks. At the time I wondered if the book was a pirated copy. Well, the book is no longer available in the Kindle Store, so chances are that it probably was pirated. I've seen other books with crappy covers and/or very low prices and it makes you wonder.

Many of the books I've bought from FictionWise have had "crappy covers" - or even no covers at all. That doesn't make them pirated. Very often, publishers just aren't very good at creating nice-looking eBooks.

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For some obvious examples you can look at 1984, Animal Farm, and Gone with the Wind. These are still copyrighted in the U.S. but not in Australia and Canada. Yet people have started selling them in the Kindle Store.

Are you suggesting that every copy of "1984" sold in a US bookstore is also pirated? The fact that a book is still in copyright does not mean publishers can't publish it.

KindleDude · 03-18-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa

They allow self publishing. Typically people put their own books up but somebody put up copies of some Harry Potter books awhile back.

Just to clarify your valid point in case there's anyone who is not aware--J.K. Rowling has said she would never allow her books to be published digitally. So if Harry Potter books were up, they were unauthorized.

daffy4u · 03-18-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

The Stand on Amazon has the same 'crappy cover' that a lot of ebooks from that publisher have. It's also the same cover the $50 version from FW has IIRC.

I think it's more likely the publisher was getting a lot of questions asking why it was $9 on Amazon, but $50 at FW & BoB.

I bought mine from FW the week it was released for about $17 (and $9.99 from Amazon). At one point the Amazon price had dropped to below $3.00 then popped up again.

Very weird.

Daithi · 03-18-2009, 01:16 PM

The Gone with the Wind, 1984, and Animal Farm examples are still in the Kindle Store. Lord of the Flies is another one, as are several more where the copyright is expired outside the U.S. but is still valid in the U.S.

Go to the Kindle store and take a look at nearly all of the Heminway titles (still in copyright even in Australia) and also Barrayar by Lois McMaster Bujold. Just crappy covers or are these books pirated?

There is also a group of well known titles with really cheap prices ($2 or $3) that I remember finding and wondering if they were pirated, but damned if I could remember which books they were.

AnemicOak · 03-18-2009, 01:28 PM

This version of GWTW is from the actual publisher...
http://www.amazon.com/Gone-with-the-...7397186&sr=1-2

But you're right, the other versions listed for a lot less money are AFAIK not something that should be up there.

igorsk · 03-18-2009, 01:30 PM

One reason why original covers are often not available on eBooks is art rights - they often have to be renegotiated as contracts in past usually did not cover electronic rights.

03-18-2009, 11:38 AM	#1
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	Pirated ebooks on Amazon? It looks like the Kindle Store is hosting pirated books. I bought Stephen King's The Stand a little while back on Amazon and noticed that the ebook had a crappy looking cover, like you find on computer generated Project Gutenberg ebooks. At the time I wondered if the book was a pirated copy. Well, the book is no longer available in the Kindle Store, so chances are that it probably was pirated. I've seen other books with crappy covers and/or very low prices and it makes you wonder. For some obvious examples you can look at 1984, Animal Farm, and Gone with the Wind. These are still copyrighted in the U.S. but not in Australia and Canada. Yet people have started selling them in the Kindle Store. Seems the Kindle Store is ripe for abuse. It also seems that Amazon should clean up its own mess before accussing others of copyright violations.

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03-18-2009, 11:39 AM	#2
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	The first 2 Harry Potter novels were in the Kindle Store a while back.

03-18-2009, 11:55 AM	#3
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	I purchased "The Stand" with the crappy cover from both Amazon (.azw) and Fictionwise (in LIT).

03-18-2009, 11:56 AM	#4
Ervserver Wizard Posts: 2,624 Karma: 1008294 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa, USA Device: Nook Simple Touch	More lawsuits waiting to happen

03-18-2009, 12:25 PM	#5
AnemicOak Bookaholic Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR +	The Stand on Amazon has the same 'crappy cover' that a lot of ebooks from that publisher have. It's also the same cover the $50 version from FW has IIRC. I think it's more likely the publisher was getting a lot of questions asking why it was $9 on Amazon, but $50 at FW & BoB.

03-18-2009, 12:40 PM	#6
S.Canton Groupie Posts: 174 Karma: 12 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Kindle 2	I really can't imagine there being "pirated" books on Amazon; that would be comically bad for business. As AnemicOak said, it was probably the price point being an area of contention.

03-18-2009, 12:50 PM	#8
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	I bought The Stand back in July, and it's still in my purchases list on the MYK page, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pirated version. It's just a fairly generic cover, which quite a few ebooks I bought last summer had, but it does say Doubleday and has a full copyright page (at the end, a stylistic decision I heartily approve). The copyright page is quite long and includes the permissions for all the song excerpts used in the book. If this is a pirated version, it's one with unusual attention to detail The book is no longer on Amazon, but I would guess it was for some other reason. When the pirated HP books showed up, the people who bought those got refunds and they were pulled from the list of purchased items. The Stand is still available for me to download on the MYK page.

03-18-2009, 01:16 PM	#13
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	The Gone with the Wind, 1984, and Animal Farm examples are still in the Kindle Store. Lord of the Flies is another one, as are several more where the copyright is expired outside the U.S. but is still valid in the U.S. Go to the Kindle store and take a look at nearly all of the Heminway titles (still in copyright even in Australia) and also Barrayar by Lois McMaster Bujold. Just crappy covers or are these books pirated? There is also a group of well known titles with really cheap prices ($2 or $3) that I remember finding and wondering if they were pirated, but damned if I could remember which books they were.

03-18-2009, 01:28 PM	#14
AnemicOak Bookaholic Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR +	This version of GWTW is from the actual publisher... http://www.amazon.com/Gone-with-the-...7397186&sr=1-2 But you're right, the other versions listed for a lot less money are AFAIK not something that should be up there.

03-18-2009, 01:30 PM	#15
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	One reason why original covers are often not available on eBooks is art rights - they often have to be renegotiated as contracts in past usually did not cover electronic rights.

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