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People have been quoting around $200-ish to get the screen on a Sony Reader replaced. That screen has around a sixth the area of an A4 screen. Let's be generous and suppose that the cost is proportional to the screen area (it probably increases at a much higher ratio, in reality!). Would you pay $1200 for an A4 screen? I'm sure that we will see A4-format devices as larger screens become cheaper to manufacture. |
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If I needed to read PDF that badly, for $1200 I'd get a good laptop and have leftover money as well.
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Or a tablet for that price ... if you like them that is.
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To me, there is little benefit to spending $400 dollars on a reading device just for reading fiction books; books that would cost the same as pbooks, books that I may have to spend time converting formats and such. I have no need for a device that can store hundreds of fiction books, because I read only one at a time. The most I'd need is the amount I could fit in a corner of my suitcase. To me it is neither cost effective nor time effective. You might disagree (in fact I expect flames), but I'd challenge you to put yourself in the shoes of an average reader who may read a book a week and only has a small grasp of computers and try to justify the expense of an ereader and 'hassle' that goes with it. (I know, that 'hassle' is the fun part for some). However, as a student, the literature I read is free (after journal subscriptions are paid of course) so cost of e-books aren't a problem. And, to hell with the cost of the reader, I'm thousands in debt already. If it help me get a first class honors, then it's cost effective. And if it were powerful enough to replace my computer? then hell yeah! Also, I need to read many books concurrently, so the ability of an ebook device would prove essential (no more walking round campus with a bag that weighs a ton). The books I read aren't available next to the bestsellers at the local bookstore, so it would be of benefit to me to find hard to find titles on the internet. Anyways, the list goes on.. Point is, whilst maybe 1 in 100 fiction book readers would find a ereader useful, pretty much all students would, as well as teachers, professors etc. So the markets are comparable imo. Quote:
ETA; I remember hearing about a study done to show the difference between learning from books and a computer. It showed that those studying from a computer screen showed much less recall and comprehension. I'd be interested to see a similar study comparing computer to EInk, with books as a control. Last edited by |2eason; 07-17-2007 at 04:09 PM. |
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It would have to allow some time to let the e-ink group get past the "wow-cool" phase, that impaired my own e-ink reading for a week or two. |
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available on the internet. If you had to buy paperback editions you would spend way more than 400$. Of course maybe you are one of those who only read one fiction book a year, during summer at the beach, but that's not the case of everyone here. Last edited by guguy; 07-17-2007 at 09:04 PM. |
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It is good to hear your ideas. Many have expressed similar sentiments in the past. We all have a wish list. I hope the designers are lurking here. This is the place to stand up for innovation. Where else can we do it? My daughter got a new Sony CZ370P/C yesterday. It is amazingly light. It feels like a hardcover book. I can imagine reading with it for long periods. Now we will have the Asus EEE for a really cheap reader -- and lightweight too! We are on the cusp of a convergence. Soon we will have light fast devices that can do everything we need and can be toted in a book bag. They will combine most of the features described in this thread, and more. We probably won't call them eReaders because the new technology will offer all of the functionality of today's readers, plus the ability to access the internet, remote file systems, and more. And we will see our PDFs in full-page color. Someday we will look at our Sony Reader and think, "Just for reading? How quaint!" |
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AFAIK, the majority of books available free online are 'out of copyright' and do not account for the majority of the market. And, I read more than 1 fiction book a year. Maybe 1 a month. But, that's more than the American average of 6 a year. Of course that's less than most here, but then most here do not represent the 'average reader'. I think my point stands. I'm curious though, what would YOU consider to be your perfect reader; ie the perfect reader for fiction? Surely the sony isn't it? Or is it? Last edited by |2eason; 07-22-2007 at 03:31 PM. |
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I can't speak for guguy, of course, but the Sony gets about 90~95% of it for me -- my primary interest is in reading, though, so I don't particularly miss features such as annotations or searching.
What's it lacking, for me? I think the biggest deal is some of the quirks of the OS/Apps, no folders, no "go to page," etc. Though I expect someone will figure out how to change those from home before too long. I would like a slightly larger display, but not too much larger, I like the overall size of the device for reading purposes. A built in front-light that I could turn on only when I needed it is about the wildest want I have on it (I know it would hose the battery life, but it shouldn't be too bad, what with the availability of low-power LEDs -- so what if I have to recharge it after 2 weeks if I use the light much, that's still not that burdensome to me). |
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My perfect reader would support: Epub, PDF, Mobipocket, HTML and RTF
Screen size: A4 But based on a flexible screen ! This way, you can easily travel with it, AND you can easily read any PDF available on the Internet (academic, newspaper etc...). I don't really need wireless connection or a touch screen, they drain too much power out of the battery. The right choice would be 2 versions of such a device, one just for reading, the other with a touch screen and wireless connection. With the right software and content available, wireless connection is pretty neat: download new books while you're sitting in a café, read your daily newspaper/website (the book and RSS part should already work on the iLiad, but not enough newspapers yet, although the e-paper version for Les Echos looks fantastic: http://aldus2006.typepad.fr/mon_webl...les-echos.html ) I don't need a touch screen that much but it can be useful for those who need annotations or more advanced software (nothing too interactive for the moment, but an email client could work for example). |
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Quite a number of comments, I notice, center on the size and type of screen that should be used/is preferred.
Maybe modularity won't help matters, but it occurs to me that if the screen was an accessory to the device, users could purchase the screen that's best for them, whether it be LCD or e-ink, large, small, flexible, fast-refresh for motion/animation content, etc. The device itself, without the screen, could easily be cellphone-sized, easy to take anywhere. You could even buy multiple screens depending on different uses at different times/places. |
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That's an interesting idea, Steve ... it would allow a lot of flexibility with the same base unit. It would also allow upgrading the base unit without replacing the displays. I like it.
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