Could we adjust the time-out values?

Darqref · 12-30-2009, 01:13 AM

AS more people join MR, the number of threads with new posts increases, the last couple of days there have been 15 pages of "today's posts" in the search results.

By the time I browse to the end of the list, I frequently get an error that no results are found when I go to the next page of results. And if I end up reading a thread with a LOT of posts, then it happens even more frequently. Sure wish we could extend the time out so I wouldn't have to re-do the search and scroll through everything again.

Also, when I log in to post a reply, and I continue to read other posts, my login times out way too fast. That's less of an annoyance than the search timing out, but I do see it because I have more posts per page show when I'm logged in.

DaleDe · 12-31-2009, 11:57 AM

I suggest you click the button that says stay logged in and then manually logout when you are finished.

WT Sharpe · 12-31-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

I suggest you click the button that says stay logged in and then manually logout when you are finished.

What button is that? The only thing I see is a "Remember me" button, which is not the same thing at all!

DaleDe · 12-31-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

What button is that? The only thing I see is a "Remember me" button, which is not the same thing at all!

Perhaps it doesn't seem to be the same but it behaves the same if you manually logout it erases the cookies so it reverses the remember me function.

Dale

Darqref · 01-01-2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Perhaps it doesn't seem to be the same but it behaves the same if you manually logout it erases the cookies so it reverses the remember me function.

Dale

That might work, but... I only log in when I'm posting a message, either a reply or a new message, so I only see the login screen generated after the reply. This doesn't have a remember me (or at least, I didn't see it....)

And that doesn't effect the primary complaint, that the whole search results list times out before I can finish the list. Happens whether I'm logged in or not.

DaleDe · 01-01-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Darqref

That might work, but... I only log in when I'm posting a message, either a reply or a new message, so I only see the login screen generated after the reply. This doesn't have a remember me (or at least, I didn't see it....)

And that doesn't effect the primary complaint, that the whole search results list times out before I can finish the list. Happens whether I'm logged in or not.

It will not time out if you select keep me logged in/Remember me. It will solve your original problem. Why not just try it instead of arguing.

Dale

Alexander Turcic · 01-01-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Darqref

And that doesn't effect the primary complaint, that the whole search results list times out before I can finish the list. Happens whether I'm logged in or not.

Darqref, can you describe in more detail what happens when the search results "time out"? What time interval are we talking about?

Update: Search results are cached in order to conserve server resources. The downside of this is that search results can appear out of order if a thread is updated in the interim. For this reason the results expire after one hour.

montsnmags · 01-03-2010, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darqref

AS more people join MR, the number of threads with new posts increases, the last couple of days there have been 15 pages of "today's posts" in the search results.

By the time I browse to the end of the list, I frequently get an error that no results are found when I go to the next page of results.
...

Darqref, this is only an interim suggestion, and the way I do similar to what you do (and thus it might not be your preference), but...

When I list all the new posts, I go through "CTRL-click"ing on each one I want to read, such that it opens in a new tab without taking me to that tab (this is in Firefox, FWIW). I work my way through all the pages of new posts until I have opened all the things I want to read in new tabs. It's a lot of tabs.

I then refresh the "New posts" search, make sure something new that I want to read hasn't turned up in the interim and if otherwise open it in a new tab, and then use the Quick Link menu to "Mark Forums Read". Then, at my leisure, I go through each tab, closing it as I finish with it.

Of course, if you go to post, you might be prompted to sign-in on that particular tab, but at least you don't have to worry about the Search result timeout...I think.

As I said, this workflow works for me, and thus very well might not work for you. It is merely a suggestion, a personal practice, and in no way is premised as "The Right Way".

Cheers,
Marc

Darqref · 01-04-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

It will not time out if you select keep me logged in/Remember me. It will solve your original problem. Why not just try it instead of arguing.

Dale

Because I DONT log in until/unless I need to make a reply. Today, I read (what I wanted to read from ) the whole search results (got to the last page 64 minutes after the search had been generated.) I didn't log in until I go ready to reply to this post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

Darqref, can you describe in more detail what happens when the search results "time out"? What time interval are we talking about?

Update: Search results are cached in order to conserve server resources. The downside of this is that search results can appear out of order if a thread is updated in the interim. For this reason the results expire after one hour.

I click on the "Today's Posts" link, usually when I'm NOT logged in. Only occasionally, when I have replied to something on the front page, am I logged in before this point. This generates several pages of threads which have posts/replies generated in the last 24 hours. Today, that was 16 pages of results.

Then, I proceed to page through the results, reading any thread that interests me. Sometimes, I post a reply, which requires I log in, most times not. In either case, I continue following the search results. When the timeout occurs, I click to go to the next page of results, and get only a box saying (approximately) "there are no results matching this search."

The fact that the results expire is what I'm talking about - I understand that posts will continue to occur after I've generated the search results. It's just that when the expiration occurs, I frequently give up for the night, instead of re-generating the results and scanning for ones that I haven't read that I want to read. For most of the last 2 years, this has only happened when I get involved in a long thread (usually one of the copyright threads, but the first time I tried to catch up on the rants was ugly). The rush of new users over the last couple of months corresponding with the release of several new reader models has made it more likely that enough interesting posts will occur to run over the search result expiration.

If I could set a personal setting that would keep the result valid for longer while I was logged in, I might change my habits to log in more frequently.

In the mean time, I'll probably try a variation of Marc's suggestion to get each page of results downloaded and open before they expire. But it makes me think, instead of just starting to read. oww, my brain hurts.

edit: after reading this again, I could also see that an improved timeout message might help, at least the first couple of times it happens.

Alexander Turcic · 01-04-2010, 02:43 PM

If you search for new posts while you are logged in, the forum will remember every thread you visit from the search results and won't show these again upon new searches, unless there is a new unread post. For this reason it is highly recommended to be logged in while doing new post searches.

12-30-2009, 01:13 AM	#1
Darqref space cadet Posts: 330 Karma: 2963633 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle area Device: Rocket PRO, gen3, Pocketbook360	Could we adjust the time-out values? AS more people join MR, the number of threads with new posts increases, the last couple of days there have been 15 pages of "today's posts" in the search results. By the time I browse to the end of the list, I frequently get an error that no results are found when I go to the next page of results. And if I end up reading a thread with a LOT of posts, then it happens even more frequently. Sure wish we could extend the time out so I wouldn't have to re-do the search and scroll through everything again. Also, when I log in to post a reply, and I continue to read other posts, my login times out way too fast. That's less of an annoyance than the search timing out, but I do see it because I have more posts per page show when I'm logged in.

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12-31-2009, 11:57 AM	#2
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	I suggest you click the button that says stay logged in and then manually logout when you are finished.

01-04-2010, 02:43 PM	#10
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	If you search for new posts while you are logged in, the forum will remember every thread you visit from the search results and won't show these again upon new searches, unless there is a new unread post. For this reason it is highly recommended to be logged in while doing new post searches.

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