LG Philips still touring with its 14.1" E Ink display

Alexander Turcic · 08-28-2006, 03:53 AM

LG Philips LCD has shown off an E-Ink based 14.1-inch WXGA flexible e-paper during Information Displays (IMID) 2006 in South Korea. If you feel a sense of deja vu over this announcement, you're not alone. It's the same gorgeous display the company demonstrated two months ago, and the specs are also still the same: 16 gray scales, 10:1 contrast ratio and a 180 degree viewing angle. What we didn't know until now was the display's response time, and at 300ms it certainly won't win any horse racing games. Instead of making their displays increasingly larger, E Ink should be well advised to make them faster first.

[via Mobile Mag]

yvanleterrible · 08-28-2006, 08:14 AM

14.1 inches is to big to be portable and being flexible at that size makes it more difficult to use. As it is now no reader has it spot on. All the others have to much casing around and are too thick. For now the results are too far away to be called e-paper. But we're on the right track...

NatCh · 08-28-2006, 09:07 AM

300ms is better than the 500ms the iLiad gets ....

doctorow · 08-28-2006, 09:19 AM

I wouldn't count on that. I remember reading somewhere else on this forum (I think it was Henrycat's first review) that the response time of the iLiad is determined by a) the time it needs to cache the page and b) the actual refresh time of the E Ink display. Of course I could be wrong, but I think this is why the iLiad is even slower than this demo E Ink display.

NatCh · 08-28-2006, 09:28 AM

What I meant was that the iLiad's e-Ink's actual refresh time is 500ms (I think), and this is saying 300ms ....

doctorow · 08-28-2006, 09:35 AM

I understand. What I meant is that E Ink is probably just showing half of the equation - that 300ms is the part needed to refresh the screen, but that probably more time is required to actually cache the content before displaying it. In other words, the actual E Ink screen used by the iLiad might be faster than 500ms, if it wasn't for delays in caching the content.

NatCh · 08-28-2006, 09:01 PM

Ah, I see what you're saying now.

I still don't think that's right, but I do understand what you're saying.

I will freely admit, however, that you may very well be correct and I the wrong one.

Maybe we'll know what the exact specs on the iLiad's screen are someday, but I suppose if we don't it won't make much difference in the long run. (shrug)

doctorow · 08-29-2006, 03:54 AM

You should be a diplomat ;-)

Let's agree on this then. Assuming that 300ms is the best E Ink can offer today, it's very much unlikely, no matter how much code optimizing iRex does, that the iLiad will refresh pages faster than 300ms.

NatCh · 08-29-2006, 09:10 AM

I can agree with that without reservation. The refresh rate of the hardware (whatever that actaully is), will always bottle-neck the process.

Unfortunately, I'm not always so diplomatic in person, here I usually have time to think, so I usually manage to say what I actually mean to say.

I still want a shrug smilie.

yvanleterrible · 08-29-2006, 10:31 AM

I still don't understand why they did'nt take existing computing power to make the thing work ? Why start from the beginning ? the wheel is already there.

Frogsmasha · 08-29-2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

Ah, I see what you're saying now.

I still don't think that's right, but I do understand what you're saying.

I will freely admit, however, that you may very well be correct and I the wrong one.

Maybe we'll know what the exact specs on the iLiad's screen are someday, but I suppose if we don't it won't make much difference in the long run. (shrug)

Without reading anything else.. that's damned funny!
:-)

Snappy! · 08-30-2006, 10:30 AM

I say give an eink reader a poly-carbon case ala thinkpad notebooks and we'll have thin and gorgeous ebook readers!

Lenovo ... ya listening?

arivero · 08-30-2006, 12:56 PM

300 ms is good enough. The ball is on the roof of the interface designers.

doctorow · 08-31-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arivero

300 ms is good enough. The ball is on the roof of the interface designers.

You mean it's time that the Apple maniacs take the e-book in their hands.

yvanleterrible · 08-31-2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doctorow

You mean it's time that the Apple maniacs take the e-book in their hands.

I am sure they are the only ones capable enough !

08-28-2006, 03:53 AM	#1
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	LG Philips still touring with its 14.1" E Ink display LG Philips LCD has shown off an E-Ink based 14.1-inch WXGA flexible e-paper during Information Displays (IMID) 2006 in South Korea. If you feel a sense of deja vu over this announcement, you're not alone. It's the same gorgeous display the company demonstrated two months ago, and the specs are also still the same: 16 gray scales, 10:1 contrast ratio and a 180 degree viewing angle. What we didn't know until now was the display's response time, and at 300ms it certainly won't win any horse racing games. Instead of making their displays increasingly larger, E Ink should be well advised to make them faster first. [via Mobile Mag]

08-28-2006, 09:28 AM	#5
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	What I meant was that the iLiad's e-Ink's actual refresh time is 500ms (I think), and this is saying 300ms .... Last edited by NatCh; 08-28-2006 at 09:28 AM. Reason: typo

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08-28-2006, 08:14 AM	#2
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	14.1 inches is to big to be portable and being flexible at that size makes it more difficult to use. As it is now no reader has it spot on. All the others have to much casing around and are too thick. For now the results are too far away to be called e-paper. But we're on the right track...

08-28-2006, 09:07 AM	#3
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	300ms is better than the 500ms the iLiad gets ....

08-28-2006, 09:19 AM	#4
doctorow Guru Posts: 914 Karma: 3410461 Join Date: May 2004 Device: Kindle Touch	I wouldn't count on that. I remember reading somewhere else on this forum (I think it was Henrycat's first review) that the response time of the iLiad is determined by a) the time it needs to cache the page and b) the actual refresh time of the E Ink display. Of course I could be wrong, but I think this is why the iLiad is even slower than this demo E Ink display.

08-28-2006, 09:35 AM	#6
doctorow Guru Posts: 914 Karma: 3410461 Join Date: May 2004 Device: Kindle Touch	I understand. What I meant is that E Ink is probably just showing half of the equation - that 300ms is the part needed to refresh the screen, but that probably more time is required to actually cache the content before displaying it. In other words, the actual E Ink screen used by the iLiad might be faster than 500ms, if it wasn't for delays in caching the content.

08-28-2006, 09:01 PM	#7
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Ah, I see what you're saying now. I still don't think that's right, but I do understand what you're saying. I will freely admit, however, that you may very well be correct and I the wrong one. Maybe we'll know what the exact specs on the iLiad's screen are someday, but I suppose if we don't it won't make much difference in the long run. (shrug)

08-29-2006, 03:54 AM	#8
doctorow Guru Posts: 914 Karma: 3410461 Join Date: May 2004 Device: Kindle Touch	You should be a diplomat ;-) Let's agree on this then. Assuming that 300ms is the best E Ink can offer today, it's very much unlikely, no matter how much code optimizing iRex does, that the iLiad will refresh pages faster than 300ms.

08-29-2006, 09:10 AM	#9
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I can agree with that without reservation. The refresh rate of the hardware (whatever that actaully is), will always bottle-neck the process. Unfortunately, I'm not always so diplomatic in person, here I usually have time to think, so I usually manage to say what I actually mean to say. I still want a shrug smilie.

08-29-2006, 10:31 AM	#10
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	I still don't understand why they did'nt take existing computing power to make the thing work ? Why start from the beginning ? the wheel is already there.

08-30-2006, 10:30 AM	#12
Snappy! Addict Posts: 260 Karma: 4256 Join Date: Feb 2006 Device: SHARP Zaurus C1000	I say give an eink reader a poly-carbon case ala thinkpad notebooks and we'll have thin and gorgeous ebook readers! Lenovo ... ya listening?

08-30-2006, 12:56 PM	#13
arivero Guru Posts: 607 Karma: 2157 Join Date: Oct 2005 Device: NCR3125, Nokia 770,...	300 ms is good enough. The ball is on the roof of the interface designers.

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