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05-22-2012, 07:56 AM | #31 |
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ADE Libraries are not going to last forever, either.
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05-22-2012, 09:01 AM | #32 | |
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05-22-2012, 09:34 AM | #33 |
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If they have reached an agreement that makes Waterstone more money and Amazon is good with it then good for both companies. Time will tell if it is a good arrangement or not but at least someone seems to be trying to do something a bit different.
This does make it look like BN is still a good deal away from launching the Nook internationally which is not helping BN. Kobo is probably catching up to BN because of its international reach, and Kindle is gaining steam throughout Europe, I believe I read somewhere that it is the number one e-reader in the UK now. If BN is able to make its way into the international market it is likely that they are going to be in a distant third, maybe even fourth behind Sony. It depends on the price point for the Nook. |
05-22-2012, 11:17 AM | #34 |
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The Kindle utterly dominates the reader market in the UK. Goodness knows what their market share is, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's over 90%. I suspect it's far more dominant, proportionally, in the UK than it is in the US, because we don't have the nook.
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I guess library usage is not a big deal in the UK.
Kobo is beating Amazon in Canada and I suspect that is because of the lack of library coverage. |
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05-22-2012, 11:49 AM | #36 |
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Library usage here in the UK is still relatively poor, and very limited, It is starting to catch on, but give it 3 more years and see then if it makes any difference!
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05-22-2012, 11:52 AM | #37 | |
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I'd be curious to know Kobo's market share in Canada and also Kindle's and Sony's, but Amazon never releases that stuff so I'm not sure how we'd know. |
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05-22-2012, 12:00 PM | #38 |
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Oh it is, but most people who buy Kindles only find out too late that they don't work with libraries in the UK, and/or the buyers are told/beleve/hope that the situation will change. I help out with an old folks' club, and a lot of them have been bought Kindles by well-meaning relatives, and are bitterly disappointed to find it can't be used with the library (which in many cases was one of the reasons for buying an ereader, so the user didn't have to actually go there).
One of the reasons Kindle dominates the market in the UK is that it seems to be the only one advertised on TV; beats me why WHSmith hasn't pushed the Kobo on TV, but they haven't. To watch TV or read newspapers in the UK, you'd think nothing other than the Kindle existed. |
05-22-2012, 12:02 PM | #39 | |
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My point was though, most people only have 1 computer (or a wi-fi ereader), if waterstones go the smiths route and transfer the files to kindle I can see there being a general moan happening. And if the publishers do go DRM free then I can't see adobe's content servers hanging around for long. |
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05-22-2012, 01:35 PM | #40 |
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Sad news ....
I really really cannot see how this is going to help Waterstones.
In these cash-strapped times, people are much more savvy about shopping around, and I'm sure actual hardware sales won't be significant. And I can't see ebook sales making a huge leap in cash for them, because not many will buy there, unless they are priced at least the same as Amazon. I don't think the "Store Loyalty" will have much effect - it didn't with me, nor friends who got Sonys from them. The only way I can see it is as suggested - a fee for every sale from every account opened by Waterstones - but that still means they have to sell the devices originally. And this wifi in the shops etc.. (all of which will cost capital)to help the digital buying "experience" won't make much - and Waterstones were always well known for their coffee shops and sofas long ago. No, I'm both mystified and saddened - after all the talk about Amazon being unhelpful for independent bookshops - well I reckon he wn't have to worry anymore now....... |
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One (minor) benefit for Amazon of this deal is they get 300 B&M stores to carry their pbooks in the UK.
If nobody else wants them, they'll be by default Waterstone's exclusives. It'll be interesting if they'll be doing other B&M deals elsewhere... |
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I think what gives Kobo the edge here is that they're available at Indigo, our largest bookstore chain. It being a Canadian reader, it was developed by Indigo, probably contributes as well. There's lots of people with a "Buy Canadian" patriotic streak in them. I have no idea when Kindles first became available to Canadians, but maybe Kobo beat them to the punch? That would explain some of it too. I'm sure someone here knows. Kindles are available at Staples here. That's the only place I've ever seen them, but I rarely go to Walmart so they may be available there and elsewhere. Quote:
Kobo: 36% Kindle: 25% Sony: 23% Others: 16% Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Inc. Last edited by K. Molen; 05-22-2012 at 03:56 PM. |
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Thanks for the stats, although a survey of only 46,000 Canadians doesn't seem like a very big sampling.
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Some analysis from Time Carmody:
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