Amazon and DRM changes - Page 6

ownedbycats · 01-08-2023, 03:32 PM

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Hard truth for thought. . .

For those of us very, very, small minority who never and will never own a kindle of any sort and are reading addicts, can we see ourselves, stop purchasing ebooks from Amz?

I will. There's no point to buying an eBook if I can't sideload it onto my Kobo.

C-novice · 01-08-2023, 03:39 PM

Does Amz pays so well that an author would bound his/her/other pronouns works for life to that one entity?

Aleron Ives · 01-08-2023, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ownedbycats

I also have one game that I can never play again because the installer phones home to a website that no longer exists and won't let me proceed past that.

If it's old enough, somebody might have made a fix for it by now.

Sirtel · 01-08-2023, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by C-novice

Does Amz pays so well that an author would bound his/her/other pronouns works for life to that one entity?

No. They just sell vastly more than all other vendors combined. So many authors don't see the point in bothering with others.

ownedbycats · 01-08-2023, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by C-novice

Does Amz pays so well that an author would bound his/her/other pronouns works for life to that one entity?

KDP Select (which includes higher royalties & Kindle Unlimited) pretty much binds the author to sell exclusively on Amazon. I consider it anticompetitive shit.

Quoth · 01-08-2023, 03:47 PM

About 1/3rd to 1/2 of our sales is outside Amazon, because we don't go for KDP Select.
Partly Amazon having 90%+ of English ebooks market is the fault of publishers and authors not bothering to publish elsewhere.

C-novice · 01-08-2023, 03:54 PM

*scratching my head* How could that be good business sense if authors want to make a living from their work? In essence one can hardly blame Amz when authors willingly agree to such nonsense.

Though I note that some authors do sell their works on their own website- not a link to Amz. I guess those are the ones who haven't put all their selling rights in Amz exclusive basket.
Which means, I'll go an author's site to see if purchasing other than from Amz is available.

hleo12 · 01-08-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by C-novice

Does Amz pays so well that an author would bound his/her/other pronouns works for life to that one entity?

I've seen multiple videos of indie authors saying they do earn more from being Amazon exclusive. Not that Amazon gives their authors more percentage, but it's easier and cheaper to get published on the author's part. Less hoops to go through.

I think Amazon is just too big. There were a lot of small publishers I used to follow 10 years ago that had to shut down because of Amazon. They just couldn't compete. Not just with prices, but also with convenience.

Recently, there's this Sanderson drama with Audible. A few authors wanted to follow his lead but their publishers outright said no. They can't afford to not publish through Audible. Almost all of the publishers these days rely on Audible for their audiobook services.

Sad reality is most indie authors just can't afford to not publish through Amazon. Traditional publishing is so gatekept.

ownedbycats · 01-08-2023, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hleo12

I've seen multiple videos of indie authors saying they do earn more from being Amazon exclusive. Not that Amazon gives their authors more percentage, but it's easier and cheaper to get published on the author's part. Less hoops to go through.

KU also pays royalties per page-turn, if I remember right.

hleo12 · 01-08-2023, 04:00 PM

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KU also pays royalties per page-turn, if I remember right.

Yea. I've seen some posts telling readers to make sure to flip through the last page of the book.

C-novice · 01-08-2023, 04:02 PM

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. . .Traditional publishing is so gatekept.

Which isn't helping and since they too sell on Amz and is fostering DRM, they wouldn't care either.

C-novice · 01-08-2023, 04:09 PM

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Yea. I've seen some posts telling readers to make sure to flip through the last page of the book.

Incredible

Will not, can not stop reading even if I no longer purchase ebooks from Amz.

ownedbycats · 01-08-2023, 04:22 PM

Historically, DeDRM wouldn't remove the DRM from Kindle Unlimited books and there's a few bug reports about this that essentially ended in "if you like the book enough to keep it, go buy it." I'm not sure if the new maintainer follows the same policy.

C-novice · 01-08-2023, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ownedbycats

. . . "if you like the book enough to keep it, go buy it." . . .

Of course. I do agree with that wholeheartedly but can one now read books purchased on Amz on anything than a kindle or kindle apped? Am I right?

Aleron Ives · 01-08-2023, 05:01 PM

You can still remove the DRM, but you need an old Kindle registered to your account, as the only way to get the old DRM that's been cracked is to use an old Kindle (at least for some books). In other words, if you want to read Amazon books on your Kobo, you must also own an old Kindle just to make DRM removal possible on books that you can't download with the old Kindle for PC.

01-08-2023, 03:54 PM	#82
C-novice ReadingZealot Posts: 164 Karma: 11818 Join Date: Oct 2014 Device: kobo ARC, Samsung Tab4	scratching my head How could that be good business sense if authors want to make a living from their work? In essence one can hardly blame Amz when authors willingly agree to such nonsense. Though I note that some authors do sell their works on their own website- not a link to Amz. I guess those are the ones who haven't put all their selling rights in Amz exclusive basket. Which means, I'll go an author's site to see if purchasing other than from Amz is available. Last edited by C-novice; 01-08-2023 at 03:56 PM.

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01-08-2023, 03:39 PM	#77
C-novice ReadingZealot Posts: 164 Karma: 11818 Join Date: Oct 2014 Device: kobo ARC, Samsung Tab4	Does Amz pays so well that an author would bound his/her/other pronouns works for life to that one entity?

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Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,239 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	About 1/3rd to 1/2 of our sales is outside Amazon, because we don't go for KDP Select. Partly Amazon having 90%+ of English ebooks market is the fault of publishers and authors not bothering to publish elsewhere.

01-08-2023, 04:22 PM	#88
ownedbycats Custom User Title Posts: 8,695 Karma: 62000001 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H2O, formerly Aura HD	Historically, DeDRM wouldn't remove the DRM from Kindle Unlimited books and there's a few bug reports about this that essentially ended in "if you like the book enough to keep it, go buy it." I'm not sure if the new maintainer follows the same policy.

01-08-2023, 05:01 PM	#90
Aleron Ives Wizard Posts: 1,068 Karma: 11500112 Join Date: Sep 2022 Device: Kobo Libra 2	You can still remove the DRM, but you need an old Kindle registered to your account, as the only way to get the old DRM that's been cracked is to use an old Kindle (at least for some books). In other words, if you want to read Amazon books on your Kobo, you must also own an old Kindle just to make DRM removal possible on books that you can't download with the old Kindle for PC.

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