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06-21-2013, 06:33 PM | #93 | |
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Take a look at Fictionwise. Fictionwise's business model was working very well before agency pricing. Because of Agency pricing, Apple and the other colluders caused Fictionwise's business model to no longer work. They drove Fictionwise out of business. I do think the owners of Fictionwise (before B&N bought them) should sue the BPHs and Apple for what they did. And I do think you don't understand what's going on. If you think Apple is innocent, then I feel sorry for your lack of understanding. |
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Also, all of the BPHs involved should be made to give money back to the consumers and be forced to lower prices to $9.99 for any eBook that has a hardcover version and when a paperback is out (regardless of the paperback price), lower the price to $4.99. That would do very well for the consumer and would teach them a lesson. This two years nonsense is not going to do a damn thing. All it means is in two years, they go back to agency and we get screwed yet again. |
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Did anyone here read the article that talked about the fact that our anti-trust laws are written to protect against collusion between like companies (horizontally) rather than between the companies and their resellers (vertically)? I wish I could find the link.
It was an interesting discussion and made me think (fear) that Apple just might get away with this after all. It was on a pro-Apple site, and it was fascinating - since prior to reading that article I'd only really read forums and blogs who hated the advent of agency pricing as much as I did - to see all the similarly strongly worded comments from those who agreed with Apple. Oh, how I miss the golden days of Fictionwise! I too am afraid, regardless of all the arguments and settlements, we'll still end up with Agency Pricing again in less than 2 years, since it wasn't the agency pricing per se that was the issue. |
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By that, I mean that publishers and cable companies should not be allowed to own or secure exclusive control over intellectual property. |
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06-21-2013, 09:14 PM | #97 | |
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If enough of the public sees no difference between the the indie and major publisher product, the majors will be out of business. Problem solved. But since the books I'm reading lately are mostly big publisher non-fiction which it took an author-editor team years to produce, I'm hoping enough readers appreciate the difference for the BPH's to stick around a while. |
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A sale of an eBook at $9.99 is better for the bottom line then no sale of the same eBook at $12.99. |
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06-22-2013, 10:51 AM | #99 |
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I'm thinking you don't understand what price fixing actually means. Apple said, you set the price. I don't care what price you sale it at as long as you don't sale it for less elsewhere and we get a percentage of the price. All the agency price model means is that the publishers set the price, not the retailers. What Amazon was doing was setting the price much lower to generate market share. IMPO, the Gov't would have had a much better case against Amazon, given that they were in a near monopoly position at the time.
Now if the publishers got together and set a price that everyone would use, that would be price fixing, but that isn't what happened, or at least no one has presented proof that this is what happened. Now, before you simply say "well, he's just another Apple fanboy", I would point out that I've only bought 3 ebooks from Apple over the years. I've bought thousands of ebooks from Amazon. I prefer Amazon for a number of reasons. But that doesn't mean that I beat Apple, or Microsoft with any stick that I can find. Competition is good. Apple getting into the ebook market gives Amazon competition, which means that Amazon has to be more responsive to consumer needs. Do we really want to go back to the days when Amazon had 90% of the ebook market rather than the 60% which they are currently estimated at? |
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This isn't about Apple Price-fixing, but that was the result of the Agency Model which Apple pushed for for a number of reasons including its own walled-garden pricing model and the need to attack the competition -- Amazon as well as the other ebook sellers -- using it. What this is about is collusion and conspiracy with apple as the ringleader and price fixing is a part of it hidden behind the agency model. Last edited by kennyc; 06-22-2013 at 11:38 AM. |
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(For the uninitiated: Thou shalt not get away with it. Any of it.) Apple instigated the whole scam because they were late to ebooks and knew they couldn't carve a chunk of the market without. Even *with* it, iBooks was failing until they stopped their competitors from even *mentioning* their ebookstores in the IOS apps. (I bet there's already a cadres of Apple customers who think iBooks is the only ebookstore that will sell them books.) So yeah, forcing them to get out of ebooks would be a good first step. I'll settle for the judge publicly declaring them to have conspired and abused their market power, opening them up to civil lawsuits from BoB, Kobo, B&N, and (heh) even Amazon. Not going to happen, but if the Apple Fen can insist Apple is in the right, I can dream of a world with real (instead of pretend) justice where Apple gets exactly what they've got coming for this. Jus a dream, mind you... |
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Once again, you can't fix prices if you aren't setting prices. Yes, I get that you hate Apple's walled garden and thus Apple is evil and should be punished. But look at the facts. Apple wasn't setting the prices, the prices didn't go up, there was zero evidence shown that Apple made any attempt to fix prices. |
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Whether Apple was actually setting the prices is irrelevant. The argument is that they were central to a collusion that made it possible for prices to rise. Graham |
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