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View Poll Results: When you buy a book, are you buying the content, or only the media? | |||
When I buy a book, I'm buying the content, and moving that content between media types [physical/electronic] is covered | 53 | 88.33% | |
I buy a specific media format [physical/elec]. If I want the content in a different format I have to re-buy it. | 7 | 11.67% | |
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11-25-2009, 10:01 AM | #16 | |
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11-25-2009, 10:09 AM | #17 | |
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OTOH, that's a little bit of a stretch as the principal has been applied to cover all 'copies from a different source' rather than only where there's a substantive difference. That's why I think it's a practical matter-too hard to draw the line regarding what's a 'substantive' difference. |
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11-26-2009, 01:38 AM | #19 | |
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BTW, if a book is still in library circulation somewhere in the world, you should be able to borrow it through interlibrary loans. I know that I have gotten a couple of books that actually were from a library in England and I am in the US. |
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In my opinion, if you own a hard-copy of a book you should be able to make an electronic version. But if you don't own the original hard-copy, you give it away or sell it, then you are no longer entitled to keep any copies and should destroy them. So no you should not borrow your friends books or library books and make your own personal copies with no intention of keeping the originals.
Again in my opinion, you can only claim "fair use" if you keep the originals to prove you own it. That being said, I doubt anyone would go after an individual that did do this unless they were blatant about it or sharing their ill-gotten gains on the internet. The original author of this thread was only talking about converting his library to digital. If he is a US citizen, I'm fairly certain he could claim "fair use" in this circumstance. Though I think it would be a time consuming ordeal. On a related topic, if copyrights didn't last so long this wouldn't be as much of an issue. Personally I think copyrights should be no more than 20 years for most works and 5 to 10 for computer programs. You want to talk about orphaned works. Etienne66 |
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11-26-2009, 05:09 AM | #22 | |
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Edit, added: This is why I stated that the law doesn't really take books into account. As I said, I can completely legally make a paper copy of any book I borrow, provided I do it myself, and for my own private use. I don't really think there is much difference between keeping a scan of the books rather than a paper copy - not in a sense that would matter. As much work is involved, as well as data loss. It's not like copying a digital music file. And I've not put it up for download. Last edited by Ea; 11-26-2009 at 05:20 AM. |
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11-26-2009, 11:33 AM | #23 | |
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I don't remember such signs in libraries, but the libraries themselves may have acquired, probably through charity or endowment, the right to allow copies. Richard |
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Libraries in the UK always very strictly enforce "fair use" limits for copying - one chapter from a book, or one article from a magazine or journal.
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Which libraries? Public libraries don't, AFAIK, allow free copying at all-and if it costs even 10 cents/page then I doubt if people copying entire books is a problem. It's been a few years since I was in a university, but it seems to me like they allowed free copying for students, so maybe that's the libraries you're thinking of. I don't recall the signs either, but am pretty sure they would have noticed (and objected to) one student 'hogging' the copier for an hour or two.
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As for the length of copyrights, that's more complicated than you'd think although in general I agree with you. In the US, one of the 'classic' Xmas movies is "It's a Wonderful Life" produced by Frank Capra. It was filmed in 1946 & was a financial flop. It didn't become popular until the copyright expired & independent TV stations started showing it because they could do so cheaply. After it became a 'classic' somebody bought the expired copyright & was able to get it renewed (don't know how-it was my impression that once they were expired, they're expired, but IANAL). After they started charging for it again (late 90's IIRC) TV stations stopped showing it so often. The point I'm trying to make is that sometimes books aren't popular when first published. To be fair to the author therefore, the copyright should be long enough to give them more than one try. Is 75 years too long? IMO, yes. But I don't think 20 years is too long. (And I'm definitely against the idea that copyrights should be renewable.) |
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but the original use of copyright was to stop replication of the material - people using printing presses to make new copies. So the container and the information in that container are yours to use as you see fit apart from duplicating it for sale to other parties.
That's why DRM gets up my nose. If I can't lend it to friends as I would a traditional container (a paper book), I'm just getting ripped off. |
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Interestingly, mp3tunes.com, the site started by the guy who originally founded mp3.com, offers an mp3 locker service where people can upload their own mp3s and access them remotely (rather than the site ripping the mp3s itself). That seems to have existed unchallenged for a couple of years now. So, allowing people to do their own fair use = good; doing it for them = bad. When it comes to ripping mp3s, this is not so much a problem. Unfortunately, paper books are very not-digital, and "ripping" them usually ends up being more trouble than the average consumer is willing to go to for himself. Quote:
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I cannot see how identical document can be both illegal (whatever that means) and legal at the same time which will happen of you type in your paper book and produce an identical file compared to the one you downloaded illegally. |
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This is the problem it seems that each content "type" seems to have it's own legislation, which suddenly fails in the digital age... |
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