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tubemonkey · 07-03-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BWinmill

Easy: subscribe to satellite Internet service; buy a receiver, satellite dish and generator; and bring along your wireless router.

Of course, that means that you won't have the space to bring along as many bananas. But that's the price of progress!

Dulin's Books · 07-03-2012, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Alright, how do I access my movies when I'm camping in a state park along the Oregon coast and WiFi isn't available?

why would you?

SeaKing · 07-03-2012, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Alright, how do I access my movies when I'm camping in a state park along the Oregon coast and WiFi isn't available?

My friend, I am sure that you have noticed by now that some of our audience are not up to a serious conversation. They are answering our points with silliness.

Kumabjorn · 07-03-2012, 04:12 AM

A day that you experience a little silliness is a day worth living.

afv011 · 07-03-2012, 05:45 AM

I'm late to the party, but I just want to say this is great news for Android. Hopefully this will give Android the momentum in tablets that it's lacked so far, this is a very nice hardware offering at an attractive price, and Jelly Bean looks polished and mighty fast.

tompe · 07-03-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluribus

To use the SD card. I load the different things I will need on different cards. I pull the card I need and pop it in. I don't need internet, WiFi, or my PC with me. I don't need to worry about how much free memory is on the tablet and what I'll need to delete. If I max out all of my cards, I buy another one.

I'm not using the SD card to transfer data onto the tablet's memory. The data never leaves the card.

But in that case why do you not load everything to the device from the beginning? I thought we were talking about typical cloud files that changes content maybe because other people edit them and you need to transfer them.

HarryT · 07-03-2012, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

But in that case why do you not load everything to the device from the beginning? I thought we were talking about typical cload files that changes content maybe because other people edit them and you need to transfer them.

The card may not be large enough. It makes sense to have (for example) video, music, and books on different cards.

tompe · 07-03-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Alright, how do I access my movies when I'm camping in a state park along the Oregon coast and WiFi isn't available?

Load them on the device before thre trip? Use 3G? Load them from a portable storage device with WiFi? Load them from a laptop?

I am not convinced at all that your example is a usage scenarion that is a counter example and is reasonable.

tompe · 07-03-2012, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The card may not be large enough. It makes sense to have (for example) video, music, and books on different cards.

The I would use something like:

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/netwo...in-your-pocket

but I have not yet had a real use case were I needed instant access to all my books and films.

tubemonkey · 07-03-2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Load them on the device before thre trip? Use 3G? Load them from a portable storage device with WiFi? Load them from a laptop?

I am not convinced at all that your example is a usage scenarion that is a counter example and is reasonable.

How do you load 32GB of content onto a 6GB device?
I don't have a 3G account
WiFi is unavailable
I don't own a laptop; and if I did, then why would I need a tablet?

HansTWN · 07-03-2012, 06:06 AM

For those who believe SD cards are not necessary I just want to say this. I think we can all agree that a device with integrated expansion slot that looks exactly the same and costs exactly the same is a better device. Even if you never need the expansion capabilities it makes for a superior tablet.

Now consider that many don't have access to WiFi or unlimited cellular connectivity everywhere (either because the infrastructure isn't there or because it is too expensive). That makes expansion capabilities even more important. And SD cards make moving data between devices like two tablets or a tablet and a phone that much easier. So when we support companies that leave out these add-on (that used to be standard in the past) we really support them ripping us off. The hardware costs they charge you are $20-50 for an external one with a dongle. But if they integrated an expansion slot as standard into every single device the production costs would increase by less than a dollar per piece.

In other words, not having one doesn't save any buyer any money, but those that have to buy an add-on later have to shell out big bucks. Same with prices for integrated memory. Those used to drop by 50% every year. We went from 2GB to 8 GB to 16GB with no increase in the price of devices. We should get 128GB by now! But now they go back to having devices with 8GB??

I find it rather hard to understand that the same folks that (rightfully) complain about corporate greed when it comes to high e-book prices don't stand up to this blatant example of corporate greed on the hardware side? Giving us less for the same money is ok just because you think you probably won't need it? And they are greedy not just for wanting to pinch pennies and thereby depriving us of important functionality, the other agenda is to force us into their cloud and spend more money with them. We are enabling them, we should just say no.

tubemonkey · 07-03-2012, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

why would you?

Because green bananas don't taste good

tompe · 07-03-2012, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

How do you load 32GB of content onto a 6GB device?
I don't have a 3G account
WiFi is unavailable
I don't own a laptop; and if I did, then why would I need a tablet?

I thought we talked about possible way to solve the problem and that included buying things to solve the problem. I also of course meant storage devices with built in WiFi.

I previously thought that an SD slot was very important to have. But I have noticed that on my phones were I can exchange SD card I never do it, for my ebook readers I usually do not bother to plug-in an SD card and on my tablets I have not exchanged SD card either or missed the lack of them. But then I do not watch video on my devices. I mostly read books and listen to pod casts.

I think that most people do not use the SD card slot if available at all other then putting in the initial SD card. And for many people arguing about the need of an SD slot I believe it is a theorethical need (just like mine was) that does not exist in reality. Of course for some people it is a real need.

HarryT · 07-03-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I previously thought that an SD slot was very important to have. But I have noticed that on my phones were I can exchange SD card I never do it, for my ebook readers I usually do not bother to plug-in an SD card and on my tablets I have not exchanged SD card either or missed the lack of them. But then I do not watch video on my devices. I mostly read books and listen to pod casts.

I think it's really only for video that it becomes important, due to the very large file sizes involved. I certainly don't miss having an SD card slot on either my iPhone or Kindle.

As you very rightly say, there are certainly workarounds available, but I think that a card slot is an extremely useful thing to have on a tablet.

Sweetpea · 07-03-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I think it's really only for video that it becomes important, due to the very large file sizes involved. I certainly don't miss having an SD card slot on either my iPhone or Kindle.

As you very rightly say, there are certainly workarounds available, but I think that a card slot is an extremely useful thing to have on a tablet.

Especially one that is marketed as a media device...

07-03-2012, 06:06 AM	#161
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	For those who believe SD cards are not necessary I just want to say this. I think we can all agree that a device with integrated expansion slot that looks exactly the same and costs exactly the same is a better device. Even if you never need the expansion capabilities it makes for a superior tablet. Now consider that many don't have access to WiFi or unlimited cellular connectivity everywhere (either because the infrastructure isn't there or because it is too expensive). That makes expansion capabilities even more important. And SD cards make moving data between devices like two tablets or a tablet and a phone that much easier. So when we support companies that leave out these add-on (that used to be standard in the past) we really support them ripping us off. The hardware costs they charge you are $20-50 for an external one with a dongle. But if they integrated an expansion slot as standard into every single device the production costs would increase by less than a dollar per piece. In other words, not having one doesn't save any buyer any money, but those that have to buy an add-on later have to shell out big bucks. Same with prices for integrated memory. Those used to drop by 50% every year. We went from 2GB to 8 GB to 16GB with no increase in the price of devices. We should get 128GB by now! But now they go back to having devices with 8GB?? I find it rather hard to understand that the same folks that (rightfully) complain about corporate greed when it comes to high e-book prices don't stand up to this blatant example of corporate greed on the hardware side? Giving us less for the same money is ok just because you think you probably won't need it? And they are greedy not just for wanting to pinch pennies and thereby depriving us of important functionality, the other agenda is to force us into their cloud and spend more money with them. We are enabling them, we should just say no. Last edited by HansTWN; 07-03-2012 at 06:08 AM.

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Kumabjorn Basculocolpic Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1	A day that you experience a little silliness is a day worth living.

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