07-30-2009, 10:58 AM | #61 | |
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Can you actually prove that there is no god? Since you can't prove a negative, wouldn't that mean that you have to beleive it to be true? |
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07-30-2009, 11:04 AM | #62 |
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A religion is not just a belief. It's a set of beliefs, plus rituals, plus culture...
It can be argued that atheists believe that there is no god (it depends on how you define "atheism", and there will always be people who talk about "strong" and "weak" atheism, etc.). But even if it is a belief with no possible proof, it does not lead to any common behaviour, rituals, or whatever. It takes more than a belief to make a religion. |
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07-30-2009, 11:13 AM | #63 | |
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Good luck with your continuing evangelization! - Ahi |
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07-30-2009, 11:17 AM | #64 | ||||
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so what you are saying that a athiesth can know there is no god.. unless they can is it still a belief. (and if ether side can prove themself right with no way to disprove it then there would be no other reiligions) the only way that athiesm can come up as lack of belief in god is for the person to have never incountered a person that believes in a god(s).(I think you will find no one on this world that has not) else they must chose to say that "I belief there is no god" to be a athiest. Quote:
Athiesm does try to explan this point. that is why it is a religion and said "magic slippers" is not Quote:
that man was made thru natual meens. that the universe was made thru natual meens. Quote:
becuse if so there are a lot of word that must confuse you. im also of the belief right now nothing I say will let you see my point and yet still I try hmmm. I think our big issue here is there is not realy a set diff on what a religion is. we each have diffrent veiws on how it sould be defined. Last edited by ahammer; 07-30-2009 at 11:22 AM. |
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07-30-2009, 11:21 AM | #65 | |
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If anybody sees me post again on this topic, please tell me to stop... I am utterly unable to take certain brands of atheists* any more seriously than lunatic fundamentalist christians**... which makes for pointless discourse more than anything else. My apologies to anyone that may be (or have been) offended by my views on this topic. - Ahi * On most topics of religion. ** On certain topics of science. Last edited by ahi; 07-30-2009 at 11:34 AM. Reason: Clarification added. |
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07-30-2009, 11:24 AM | #66 |
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If people would like to discuss atheism, religion, etc. Could they please start a thread in the lounge so that the rest of us can avoid it easily? Thanks.
(I've spent too much time in sort this discussion to think that either side will hear the other. So I've stopped taking part. Mostly.) |
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07-30-2009, 11:32 AM | #68 |
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07-30-2009, 11:32 AM | #69 |
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Some things are weird. If they don't fit into reality of sci-fi/fantasy story, it is wrong.
Like the other day I read The Dark Elf Trilogy (Homeland + Exile + Sojourn) by R. A. Salvatore. Drizzt's friend Belwar fared pretty well despite the loss of his hands. He now bears an enchanted weapon on each stump, one a pickaxe and one a hammer. How on the earth does he cook/eat/go to toilet? |
07-30-2009, 11:36 AM | #70 | |
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storys can be good and be wrong but they tend to less of a good the story when they are . Last edited by ahammer; 07-30-2009 at 11:39 AM. |
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Though one possible answer does occur to all of your questions: Very VERY carefully! |
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07-30-2009, 12:01 PM | #72 |
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07-30-2009, 12:20 PM | #73 | |
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I saw a really interesting special on green architecture recently. There are now designs for workable highrise no-soil "fields." The crops actually grow in this substrate, and they can pack several acres of substrate into each level of a highrise. Same thing for manufacturing ... if you put your manufacturing, and living space into a tall enough building, you can have a fairly healthy community in a really small space. I will have to find a link (if there is one) to the substrate farming buildings. Oddly, if I recall correctly, they were planning one for New York. Oh, here, I found the link to an article by Cory Doctorow. It's actually called "Vertical Farming." http://www.boingboing.net/2005/06/24...rming-hig.html Last edited by RickyMaveety; 07-30-2009 at 12:23 PM. |
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07-30-2009, 12:37 PM | #74 |
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Tiim messes around with that sort of farming in our back yard. He grows amazingly yummy hydroonic cucumbers, just don't look at the disgusting growing liquid and it will be fine. He grows veggies in a mix of shredded paper from work that is mixed with compost (gotta have something to fluff up the paper, or else it becomes paper mache). The paper shreds dissolve quickly, so he has to keep top-dressing the beds with more. Having seen all of this, it seems like it would be super easy to feed a city with a high rise building full of growing flats.
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07-30-2009, 12:39 PM | #75 |
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I'm really curious to know the author and title of the original book that started this discussion.
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