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Old 01-30-2012, 03:08 PM   #31
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No, this isn't art. In the case of art you view, it has been purchased already, and made available for viewing, that having been part and parcel of the artists "contract" with the purchaser. In the case of a novel, you have no right to read a copy of someone else's bought version. (You do, IMHO as an author, have a right to read that EXACT version, giving the reader who paid for a book thei right to lend you a book, provided they no longer have access to the book and no copies are made of the original.)
I agree with that when it comes to refrence materials and technical books that quickly become outdated. I still believe that when it comes to fiction (and some but not all non-fiction) the very act of reading and spending my time thinking about and discussing someones labour of love is payment enough. An exceptional tale is worth buying and re-reading.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:11 PM   #32
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I voted no because I don't believe in the idea of piracy. Texts should be available to all because they are texts, knowledge, beneficial to the advancement of culture.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:16 PM   #33
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2. I'd bought the paper book.
This.

This should be considered fair use, or licensing per seat.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:18 PM   #34
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There would be only one set of circumstances in which I'd consider it ethically justifiable to pirate a book:

1. If no commercial eBook was available.

and:

2. I'd bought the paper book.

In those circumstances, I'd have no qualms about downloading a pirated eBook. However, if a commercial eBook did then become commercially available, I'd buy it.

So I'd have to answer "on occasions". Very rare occasions.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:21 PM   #35
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This.

This should be considered fair use, or licensing per seat.
You know, I always wondered that. I do not see a license in any paperback book that I've bought. Nothing that says "You can only use this in this form" or "you are licensed to be the only reader of this." Nothing invokes any ownership or copyright controls on that book. Indeed, I can loan it to people at will.

So... by that logic.. It would NOT be illegal for me to take the entire book and type it into a word document. It would NOT be illegal for me to scan the book. None of those acts would be illegal.

So, if I were to have a copy of the book, with the exact same content, in ebook form.. I wonder if I could legally fight challenges of piracy under a "Doctrine of First Sale" case.
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There would be only one set of circumstances in which I'd consider it ethically justifiable to pirate a book:


2. I'd bought the paper book.

In those circumstances, I'd have no qualms about downloading a pirated eBook. However, if a commercial eBook did then become commercially available, I'd buy it.

So I'd have to answer "on occasions". Very rare occasions.

Yes but then it isn't really piracy in my opinion. I did that for a paper book that I couldn't find but know that I have.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:26 PM   #38
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:30 PM   #39
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Who in their right mind would write a book then?
Just to play Devil's advocate, have you seriously never shared any information with anybody without payment being involved?
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:41 PM   #40
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I get all of my ebooks legally.
I get my ebooks elegally
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:47 PM   #41
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You know, I always wondered that. I do not see a license in any paperback book that I've bought. Nothing that says "You can only use this in this form" or "you are licensed to be the only reader of this." Nothing invokes any ownership or copyright controls on that book. Indeed, I can loan it to people at will.

So... by that logic.. It would NOT be illegal for me to take the entire book and type it into a word document. It would NOT be illegal for me to scan the book. None of those acts would be illegal.

So, if I were to have a copy of the book, with the exact same content, in ebook form.. I wonder if I could legally fight challenges of piracy under a "Doctrine of First Sale" case.
If a friend is legally allowed to lend me a hard copy book, why is it illegal for that same friend to lend that same book if it takes the form of an ebook? Why can't i sell my dozens of completed ebooks at my yard sale for $.99 each?

The publishers and distributors are already invoking limited terms of usage models based on a supported-device/authorized-user-only licensing. How is it any different?

That being said I don't agree with a free for all on pirating of ebooks. But if I own the hardcopy book, I feel no guilt about side loading an DRM stripped version of that same book on my device.
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:00 PM   #42
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I have pirated seven books, ie the Harry Potter series. When the author gets off her butt and sells them through her website or Amazon or where ever, I will happily purchase the books. I have no interest in re-reading the last 4 books in hardback form because they uncomfortable to hold and are far to heavy. I bought the hardbacks and the paperbacks so I don't feel like I have deprived her of any money.
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I voted no because I don't believe in the idea of piracy. Texts should be available to all because they are texts, knowledge, beneficial to the advancement of culture.
But back on planet Earth...
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Who in their right mind would write a book then?
I would say those who truly believe that their text should be read.
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I voted no because I don't believe in the idea of piracy. Texts should be available to all because they are texts, knowledge, beneficial to the advancement of culture.
Cool, did you get your ereader for free also? I mean that's what we use to read texts, so that should be free too right? Also internet access, otherwise how can we download? And houses, because living under a roof is pretty important. I can't wait till you're in charge of this bustling economy.
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