Kindle bias on MobileRead? - Page 2

Gaurnim · 02-11-2009, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MidknytOwl

One, there was never a news blip on the top of every page that said the new Sony was out with a link on where to preorder.

About this specific part, I have a feeling that it is a new feature to the forum that wasn't available when the Sony came out.
Or that the feature existed but wasn't used at the time.
Now that Alex has started playing with it, I suspect (and hope too) that it will be used in the future for important news for other devices.

MidknytOwl · 02-11-2009, 05:44 AM

Well, I wasn't very eloquent in my original post. To clarify, I was more specifically referring to the news that gets posted on the homepage, not the different forums themselves.

Good point on the fact that the Kindle has been rumored for a long time, and that the 700 wasn't seen by all as an improvement. I also concede that it's probably standing out to me more because, as was mentioned, they are talking about it everywhere and it was an entry on several of the blogs I go through. But...what about the little news icon on the top with the link to preorder the Kindle? I've never seen that with any device before. I still think it's being a little disproportionate.

mtravellerh · 02-11-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MidknytOwl

Well, I wasn't very eloquent in my original post. To clarify, I was more specifically referring to the news that gets posted on the homepage, not the different forums themselves.

Good point on the fact that the Kindle has been rumored for a long time, and that the 700 wasn't seen by all as an improvement. I also concede that it's probably standing out to me more because, as was mentioned, they are talking about it everywhere and it was an entry on several of the blogs I go through. But...what about the little news icon on the top with the link to preorder the Kindle? I've never seen that with any device before. I still think it's being a little disproportionate.

Again: That is a new feature on the forum (so it couldn't be there before.)

dhbailey · 02-11-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MidknytOwl

Well, I wasn't very eloquent in my original post. To clarify, I was more specifically referring to the news that gets posted on the homepage, not the different forums themselves.

Interestingly, I never start out on the home page, having bookmarked the Sony 500/505 forum years ago, so I have been completely unaware of any of the news that gets headlines on the main page. I start out in the forum I started in, check out the new book offerings (I still wish there were a link to this same listing from the 700 subforum!) and then go to the 700 subforum since that's my main reading device these days.

So I've been oblivious to all the recent headlines about the kindle2.

But I agree with HarryT's analysis -- if there are people equally upset on either side of a controversy, then the forum has the balance of coverage just right!

Flub · 02-11-2009, 06:24 AM

I just wish Amazon would launch in the UK. I'd ditch my 505 in a heartbeat.

Dr. Drib · 02-11-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MidknytOwl

Not trying to start anything, just making an observation.
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So is it because I am a loyal Sony girl that it seems like there has been more for the Kindle than there was for the 700, or does it seem that way for anyone else too?

I would respectfully point out that there is an abundance of news, coverage, and interest precisely because of postings such as yours.

People [members of MobileRead] are responding because they have something to say. The members here generate the majority of threads.

Don

daffy4u · 02-11-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

Is that still so? I genuinely believe that whatever sort of anti-Amazon sentiment there might have been, it has passed. Of course everyone here is free to express his or her own opinion, but I don't see any pattern that would go over expressing one's personal opinion.

So you see the Kindle bashing but feel the anti-Amazon sentiment has lessened? I've been gone from MobileRead for 2 months and felt it immediately.

Go back to this thread (which you also posted in) starting at post #11 and you'll see others see the hatin' too.

gwynevans · 02-11-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

You think? I would be surprised if Amazon's actions in the e-book business wouldn't also affect us Europeans in some way or the other.

No, I'm with Harry here - The K1's not affected me in the UK & I've heard nothing to suggest that the K2 will... (I did think for a few moments that I might be able to participate in a draw to win one, but disappointingly, the nominally-international forum involved had obviously agreed to restrict entries to exclude it's non-US members...)

Alexander Turcic · 02-11-2009, 10:28 AM

Daffy, with all due respect, I think there is a difference between "hating" and expressing criticism. If you go to Amazon's own forums, you'll discover a lot of recent "hating" (in your terms) towards the new Kindle reader. Or, if you browse the forums of other e-book readers here at Mobileread, you will discover "hating", too, that is, there are always some folks who're unhappy with the status quo of a particular e-book reader.

Sure I also disagree with a lot of what is said or criticized at; but everyone has the right to have an opinion. At this point, speaking of today, I don't see any particular bias for or against the Kindle here at Mobileread.

Alexander Turcic · 02-11-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gwynevans

No, I'm with Harry here - The K1's not affected me in the UK & I've heard nothing to suggest that the K2 will...

You think Amazon's influence on e-book prices and publishers joining the e-book frenzy will have no effect on the e-book movement in Europe?

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...but disappointingly, the nominally-international forum involved had obviously agreed to restrict entries to exclude it's non-US members...

The prize of this particular contest is the Kindle, and as much as we regret it, Amazon does not sell the Kindle to customers outside the US.

daffy4u · 02-11-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

Daffy, with all due respect, I think there is a difference between "hating" and expressing criticism. If you go to Amazon's own forums, you'll discover a lot of recent "hating" (in your terms) towards the new Kindle reader. Or, if you browse the forums of other e-book readers here at Mobileread, you will discover "hating", too, that is, there are always some folks who're unhappy with the status quo of a particular e-book reader.

Sure I also disagree with a lot of what is said or criticized at; but everyone has the right to have an opinion. At this point, speaking of today, I don't see any particular bias for or against the Kindle here at Mobileread.

When I say "hatin'" I'm not referring to criticism, it refers to the bashing (nasty digs) that some folks feel the need to make... constantly.

Alexander Turcic · 02-11-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

When I say "hatin'" I'm not referring to criticism, it refers to the bashing (nasty digs) that some folks feel the need to make... constantly.

daffy, if you see someone constantly bashing here, I would appreciate if you send me a private message so I can have a better understanding why things are the way they are.

JSWolf · 02-11-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mtravellerh

I, for one, would love to buy a Kindle if I only could. All those news about the Kindle make me feel jealous. I just hope the Kindle will be available here soon, too (and not K1)

Given that the K1 is done (like the PRS-500 is done) then I don't think you have to worry about the K1 being released outside the USA. If the Kindle is released outside the USA, I'd expect it to be at least the K2.

Gafle · 02-11-2009, 10:56 AM

The Kindle is not an interesting device in itself and as e-readers go it is quite limited and poorly designed while still being expensive. Next to a Sony it looks like a cheap toy.

However it is very interesting as a concept - always being connected to a bookstore and news sources - and as such probably represents the future of e-readers. Therefore it deserves the attention it gets. I am pretty sure that all e-readers will follow in the footsteps of the Kindle eventually, so we should all pay attention to it even if we arent in the Kindle camp...

DixieGal · 02-11-2009, 11:28 AM

MR isn't pro- or anti- anything. The threads are generated by the users, as are the opinions expressed in the threads.

Whever there is news to report about any machine, Alex and Bob and the other newshounds post it. Last week, it was all about Germany getting Sony. This week, it is Amazon's K2 with all of Amazon's marketing department fanfare. Next week, who knows what will be the big news?

If you feel something has been falling through the cracks, then make a thread and start a reasonable discussion. It's all driven by the users, not the MR mods, with no real agenda to promote any machine over another. We are all here to promote e-books and e-devices and e-reading in general.

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02-11-2009, 05:44 AM	#17
MidknytOwl Zealot Posts: 111 Karma: 644 Join Date: May 2008 Device: Kobo Aura	Well, I wasn't very eloquent in my original post. To clarify, I was more specifically referring to the news that gets posted on the homepage, not the different forums themselves. Good point on the fact that the Kindle has been rumored for a long time, and that the 700 wasn't seen by all as an improvement. I also concede that it's probably standing out to me more because, as was mentioned, they are talking about it everywhere and it was an entry on several of the blogs I go through. But...what about the little news icon on the top with the link to preorder the Kindle? I've never seen that with any device before. I still think it's being a little disproportionate.

02-11-2009, 06:24 AM	#20
Flub Groupie Posts: 164 Karma: 70995 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: United Kingdom Device: iPhone, PRS-505, K2i, iPad 64GB+3G, K3, Nexus S	I just wish Amazon would launch in the UK. I'd ditch my 505 in a heartbeat.

02-11-2009, 10:28 AM	#24
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	Daffy, with all due respect, I think there is a difference between "hating" and expressing criticism. If you go to Amazon's own forums, you'll discover a lot of recent "hating" (in your terms) towards the new Kindle reader. Or, if you browse the forums of other e-book readers here at Mobileread, you will discover "hating", too, that is, there are always some folks who're unhappy with the status quo of a particular e-book reader. Sure I also disagree with a lot of what is said or criticized at; but everyone has the right to have an opinion. At this point, speaking of today, I don't see any particular bias for or against the Kindle here at Mobileread.

02-11-2009, 10:56 AM	#29
Gafle Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Denmark Device: Sony PRS-505 & Nokia N800	The Kindle is not an interesting device in itself and as e-readers go it is quite limited and poorly designed while still being expensive. Next to a Sony it looks like a cheap toy. However it is very interesting as a concept - always being connected to a bookstore and news sources - and as such probably represents the future of e-readers. Therefore it deserves the attention it gets. I am pretty sure that all e-readers will follow in the footsteps of the Kindle eventually, so we should all pay attention to it even if we arent in the Kindle camp...

02-11-2009, 11:28 AM	#30
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	MR isn't pro- or anti- anything. The threads are generated by the users, as are the opinions expressed in the threads. Whever there is news to report about any machine, Alex and Bob and the other newshounds post it. Last week, it was all about Germany getting Sony. This week, it is Amazon's K2 with all of Amazon's marketing department fanfare. Next week, who knows what will be the big news? If you feel something has been falling through the cracks, then make a thread and start a reasonable discussion. It's all driven by the users, not the MR mods, with no real agenda to promote any machine over another. We are all here to promote e-books and e-devices and e-reading in general.

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