played with new wifi kobo - Page 8

dos · 10-23-2010, 02:05 AM

I wonder if someone with the Wifi Kobo could clear something up for me.

In the original Kobo it's not possible to use hypertext links in ePubs (and possibly not in the Kobo native format either, although I haven't tried).

For example, let's use Infinite Jest as an example. Mr. Wallace (R.I.P.) loves to use footnotes and end-notes in his work.

From the ePub, viewed in Calibre:

Infinite Jest is full of the latter. There are 388 endnotes in the book.

Note the "back to text" hyperlink. Convenient! I like a well-made ePub:

The author has stated that the correct way to read the book is to flip to the back and read the end-notes as you come upon them, i.e he wants you to be going back and forth as you read.

I'd like you guys to imagine what that is like on a Kobo 1, without hypertext or a way to jump to a page in a book.

Is this problem fixed in the Wifi Kobo?

taming · 10-23-2010, 02:24 AM

I found Infinite Jest essentially impossible to read without hyperlinks. I ended up reading it on my Netbook in the Kobo desktop application. Not a real solution, for sure. My WiFi Kobo will ship on Monday, I'm told, and this is one of the things I am hoping for, too. Not really expecting, since no one has mentioned it yet.

dmacmart · 10-23-2010, 08:47 AM

I haven't read a book with footnotes or endnotes, but the first book I read had images (in Kobo format before I knew that ADE would include them). I always have my iPhone with me, and when I came to an image caption I would flip to the current page in the Kobo iPhone app. I guess I would do the same if I saw hyperlinks. Now that I have a netbook I might use it if there were lots and lots.

If (when) I get a Wifi Kobo I would like to disable page syncing between devices - I hope that option is available. I often use the iPhone or my desktop to flip back to refer to previous pages.

taming · 10-23-2010, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmacmart

If (when) I get a Wifi Kobo I would like to disable page syncing between devices - I hope that option is available. I often use the iPhone or my desktop to flip back to refer to previous pages.

I suppose you can just turn the WiFi off, which would keep any syncing at all from happening.

zoran · 10-23-2010, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmacmart

If (when) I get a Wifi Kobo I would like to disable page syncing between devices - I hope that option is available. I often use the iPhone or my desktop to flip back to refer to previous pages.

Syncing is pretty complex. My first idea would be firewall on every
device, but it puts stress on the proper function even more. Modern
firewalls let the session start and wait for the possible answer. If the
rule is not dynamic, there is no chance to accept incoming session.
Wifi router could be set to not process outbound session and not
receive any incoming one. At least dd-wrt could do that. Manual for
iptables will show you all possibilities at hand. Ipfw and pf are way
better firewalls, but they are not available for small firmware like
dd-wrt. If all this puzzles, I agree. One menu option in kobo firmware
is better than everything above. That means software has to foresee
what end user wants. Further, to put info in one well written manual.
So, more work for kobo guys, but it is the situation all software
companies have to manage.

SameerH · 10-23-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoran

Syncing is pretty complex. My first idea would be firewall on every
device, but it puts stress on the proper function even more. Modern
firewalls let the session start and wait for the possible answer. If the
rule is not dynamic, there is no chance to accept incoming session.
Wifi router could be set to not process outbound session and not
receive any incoming one. At least dd-wrt could do that. Manual for
iptables will show you all possibilities at hand. Ipfw and pf are way
better firewalls, but they are not available for small firmware like
dd-wrt. If all this puzzles, I agree. One menu option in kobo firmware
is better than everything above. That means software has to foresee
what end user wants. Further, to put info in one well written manual.
So, more work for kobo guys, but it is the situation all software
companies have to manage.

I think the only way to not have your bookmarks sync at all is to use the 'ePub' version of the book, which you should be able to download off of http://www.kobobooks.com - these are not cloud-synced.

Any other way, as soon as you sync your library, bookmarks get updated on our servers.

I'm afraid we didn't think there would be that much of a need to NOT sync your devices.

zoran · 10-24-2010, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SameerH

I think the only way to not have your bookmarks sync at all is to use the 'ePub' version of the book, which you should be able to download off of http://www.kobobooks.com - these are not cloud-synced.
Any other way, as soon as you sync your library, bookmarks get updated on our servers.
I'm afraid we didn't think there would be that much of a need to NOT sync your devices.

Seems that every poster on this forum has his/her own idea how to
do this. I like to read people solving the same problem in a zillion
different ways. Interesting to know, spite I use my own method.

taming · 10-24-2010, 01:40 AM

Reading all the posts, I'm thinking that if you NEVER want to sync use ePUB. If you temporarily do not want to sync between devices, turn off the WiFi, but be aware that when you do sync--for example, when you add a new book to the reader in Kobo format, all of your devices will sync up at that point, even if you are adding the new book through the desktop software.

SameerH · 10-24-2010, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taming

Reading all the posts, I'm thinking that if you NEVER want to sync use ePUB. If you temporarily do not want to sync between devices, turn off the WiFi, but be aware that when you do sync--for example, when you add a new book to the reader in Kobo format, all of your devices will sync up at that point, even if you are adding the new book through the desktop software.

With the Kobo Wireless, if you buy a book on the device itself, it will only download the purchased book and not do a full sync, so it's a bit easier there. But yes if you buy a book from the desktop and sync the reader, it will update everything.

digital_steve · 10-24-2010, 06:17 PM

My big post didn't get a response, so i guess i'll keep it short

Any ETA on the new firmware for the original Kobo?

ModReader · 10-24-2010, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_steve

My big post didn't get a response, so i guess i'll keep it short

Any ETA on the new firmware for the original Kobo?

I think Monday was the said date but I don't think it's official.

digital_steve · 10-24-2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModReader

I think Monday was the said date but I don't think it's official.

Cool... where was that said? I missed it; offline a few days.

Well, it's Monday here in Aus!

SameerH · 10-24-2010, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_steve

Cool... where was that said? I missed it; offline a few days.

Well, it's Monday here in Aus!

The 1.7.1 Firmware update with battery fixes is scheduled for tomorrow (for most retailers), barring any crazy occurrences.

Next Firmware for the original kobo is not coming out tomorrow, I'm sorry

But that is the very thing we are working on once 1.7.1 is out the door. It's almost done, needs to be regression-tested and stabilized, after which it's going to get rolled out. Exact date I don't know, depends on the results of the testing. As soon as we have a timeframe we know we can hit, either me or JCKobo will post it here.

digital_steve · 10-24-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SameerH

The 1.7.1 Firmware update with battery fixes is scheduled for tomorrow (for most retailers), barring any crazy occurrences.

Next Firmware for the original kobo is not coming out tomorrow, I'm sorry

But that is the very thing we are working on once 1.7.1 is out the door. It's almost done, needs to be regression-tested and stabilized, after which it's going to get rolled out. Exact date I don't know, depends on the results of the testing. As soon as we have a timeframe we know we can hit, either me or JCKobo will post it here.

Nice, thanks for the info... but i'm going to ride you some more
What can we expect to be addressed in the new firmware release?

dos · 10-25-2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_steve

What can we expect to be addressed in the new firmware release?

Assuming he's talking about the new firmware for the original Kobo, I'd also like to know this.

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10-23-2010, 02:05 AM	#106
dos Enthusiast Posts: 36 Karma: 3982 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kobo	I wonder if someone with the Wifi Kobo could clear something up for me. In the original Kobo it's not possible to use hypertext links in ePubs (and possibly not in the Kobo native format either, although I haven't tried). For example, let's use Infinite Jest as an example. Mr. Wallace (R.I.P.) loves to use footnotes and end-notes in his work. From the ePub, viewed in Calibre: Infinite Jest is full of the latter. There are 388 endnotes in the book. Note the "back to text" hyperlink. Convenient! I like a well-made ePub: The author has stated that the correct way to read the book is to flip to the back and read the end-notes as you come upon them, i.e he wants you to be going back and forth as you read. I'd like you guys to imagine what that is like on a Kobo 1, without hypertext or a way to jump to a page in a book. Is this problem fixed in the Wifi Kobo?

10-23-2010, 02:24 AM	#107
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	I found Infinite Jest essentially impossible to read without hyperlinks. I ended up reading it on my Netbook in the Kobo desktop application. Not a real solution, for sure. My WiFi Kobo will ship on Monday, I'm told, and this is one of the things I am hoping for, too. Not really expecting, since no one has mentioned it yet.

10-23-2010, 08:47 AM	#108
dmacmart Fanatic Posts: 531 Karma: 696908 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ottawa Canada Device: Kobo Mini, Glo, Arc, H2O, iPhone, iPad 2, (husband)Touch	I haven't read a book with footnotes or endnotes, but the first book I read had images (in Kobo format before I knew that ADE would include them). I always have my iPhone with me, and when I came to an image caption I would flip to the current page in the Kobo iPhone app. I guess I would do the same if I saw hyperlinks. Now that I have a netbook I might use it if there were lots and lots. If (when) I get a Wifi Kobo I would like to disable page syncing between devices - I hope that option is available. I often use the iPhone or my desktop to flip back to refer to previous pages.

10-24-2010, 01:40 AM	#113
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	Reading all the posts, I'm thinking that if you NEVER want to sync use ePUB. If you temporarily do not want to sync between devices, turn off the WiFi, but be aware that when you do sync--for example, when you add a new book to the reader in Kobo format, all of your devices will sync up at that point, even if you are adding the new book through the desktop software.

10-24-2010, 06:17 PM	#115
digital_steve Muppet Posts: 240 Karma: 442 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Tasmania Device: Kobo Aura HD, Sony PRS-650	My big post didn't get a response, so i guess i'll keep it short Any ETA on the new firmware for the original Kobo?