07-18-2009, 11:57 AM | #61 | |
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Nothing I read says that people which have paid for a copy of a work that was infringed on have to return that work.. but only that the infringer may be liable to reimburse the copyright holder the money they made, plus possible fines. There can also be criminal charges in the case that the infringer is doing it for profit as opposed to for personal use or giving away free copies (such as uploading to a warzes site). Did Amazon do the right thing by no longer selling infringing copies... yes. Did they have to go as far as to remove the book from peoples Kindles, probably not. They have not only removed the book but also reimbursed people the money. They didn't have to actually do that. I think what really gets people upset is that Amazon removed the book from peoples Kindles. However this doesn't really bother me. I have more important things in my life to worry about. Can we move on? BOb |
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07-18-2009, 12:17 PM | #64 |
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Please define what you mean buy "illegal copy". I have not seen it claimed before that books bought in good faith suddenly can be illegal to possess. Which laws are you using here?
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07-18-2009, 12:20 PM | #65 |
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Please see my post #63 prior to yours.
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07-18-2009, 12:26 PM | #66 | |
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It's wrong and should be illegal for Amazon to make it possible for itself to remove content (illegal or otherwise) from your device. If they did not go out of their way to make this technically doable, no lawyer in the world could get them convicted for not doing the impossible (i.e.: deleting your books). - Ahi Last edited by ahi; 07-18-2009 at 12:33 PM. |
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07-18-2009, 12:28 PM | #67 | |
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Amazon illegally selling you content does not automagically turn you into a copyright infringer. It is rather alarming that there are people who feel otherwise. - Ahi |
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07-18-2009, 12:33 PM | #68 | |
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Further, if Amazon knows they sold me something they didn't have the right to, though actually the illegitimate publisher did, then they have an obligation to rectify the situation, that includes removing the offending content. Carl |
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It's doing the copying that is illegal under US law (in most cases, it's treated as a civil tort rather than a crime). Possessing the copy itself is not illegal as far as I know, and stolen property laws (in the US) address physical, not intellectual, property. I've never heard of a case of someone being convicted/civilly liable for merely having a copy of a copyrighted work, without any allegation that they were making copies themselves. (Further, stolen property laws in most states require knowledge that the property is stolen, so merely possessing a copyrighted work that you paid for, believing it was legal, would not fit the definition of the crime.) Last edited by whitearrow; 07-18-2009 at 03:36 PM. |
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Amazon could also try to make an agreement about the sold copies with the current copyright holder and compensate him for the "lost sales". Then those copies would be as legal as when the customers had bought them directly from the current copyright holder.
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I don't know why people are complaining about amazon in this. they should be focusing their hate on this publisher.
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Why, the publisher probably did an honest mistake. Nothing to complain over. It is Amazon that did the bad thing like removing peoples annotations and bookmarks.
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Do you have any evidence that annotations and bookmarks were physically deleted on the device? Well, the bookmarks would be useless anyway without the ebook... |
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