11-13-2012, 09:06 AM | #301 | |
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That said, according to my proposal putting fake but correct "social DRM" metadata in a media file would require: 1) ensuring that the file is one I actually bought; 2) ensuring that the purchase date in the metadata is the right one; 3) knowing what media vendor I bought the file from; 4) knowing my unique ID in those vendor's systems. I can't see how someone who is not the CIA or someone very close to me can do that. And if one of my family wants to put me into trouble, they could do better than uploading my files via torrent... On the contrary, for what I know the type of "identity proof" that media publishers try to convince everyone to accept for illegal uploaders is something like: "the upload came from an IP address that the wireless router of the accused person had at the time we presume the upload occurred". This is much worse. |
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I am starting from the hypothesis that my proposal is accepted. In that case, to buy media you have to explicitly accept responsibility if one of the files you buy gets illegally uploaded, except in the cases I described. |
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11-13-2012, 09:23 AM | #303 | |
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11-13-2012, 10:18 AM | #307 | |
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According to my proposal, the "digital file" is just another representation of a work of art, such as a DVD or a book. So when you buy your own copy of the book you get a collection of 0s and 1s -on a physical support provided by the vendor or by yourself- that represent just that: a copy of the contents of the book. You don't get the right to publish the book as well. ...or are you saying that when you buy a DVD of Star Wars you become the owner of Lucasfilms' rights on the saga?!?? |
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11-13-2012, 10:25 AM | #308 | |
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So you can't "own" a file in the way your can "own" a physical object. What you can do is make copies of it and move them around in various physical media. To do that you need to have the right to make those copies. This right is something you can own, we call it copyright. You can also exercise this right under license. I think it's confusing to talk about comparison with a physical book when the things you want to have (the ability to lend, share etc) come as a consequence of the physical nature of the book combined with an inherent difficulty in copying. I can physically give you a book and thus lend it to you. I can't actually physically give you a file, I can only copy the representation of it on one physical media to another, or give you my physical media. Quote:
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11-13-2012, 11:27 AM | #310 |
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I was told by several Amazon tech people that, after repairing my old Kindle 2 by installing a new motherboard, that the motherboard an the radio chip are a matched pair and that I therefore wouldn't be able to register my repaired Kindle. I then contacted the company that sold me the new motherboard who said that it was a matter of using an domestic 3G module with a domestic motherboard, and that you couldn't mix the domestic motherboard with the international 3G. Because they didn't have any international motherboards in stock they sent me a new 3G module for free.
Amazon wouldn't tell me that, though. They wanted me to buy a new device rather than repair an old one. I have since backed up all of my Amazon purchased books on Calibre, and plan to buy a lot more books from Google when I get my new Lenovo IdeaPad. |
11-13-2012, 11:33 AM | #311 | |
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What happens if I think I'm smart and I charge people to give them a copy of my files even if I don't know them very well personally? That very soon one or more of these people who paid for pirated media will upload it somewhere, (after all, it was alreadypirated!) and I will get caught and fined. Even if I keep a list of the names of my "customers" and give this list to the police saying they're my friends, it's sufficient for them to deny being the illegal distributors to get away unscathed... while I get the fine nonetheless. And they will do that, because they are not my friends. It doesn't seem a viable "business model" to me... |
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That said, in some countries at least there are examples of authorized copying (e.g., backing up your media collection). So this is not "new legal territory". Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 11-13-2012 at 11:55 AM. |
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11-13-2012, 01:05 PM | #313 | |
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This points to another issue (since we're not going to reach agreement on Mary culpability for Bill's actions) - defining acceptable limits of copying. Some families have 10 or more people all under the same roof. Others may have only a handful, but spread out across the globe. You can build rights for lending into your system, but how / where should the limits be? As someone already touched on, ebooks are not the same as paper books. Much of the desire for additional "rights" comes from not understanding the difference. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about Average Joe who doesn't get why he shouldn't be able to give the book to anyone who might want to read it, just like a paper book. It's not a paper book. Then you have the casual sharers who justify running their little sneakernet of ebooks, movies and music with the justification of "I could do it with books, DVDs and CDs" without acknowledging the issue that they are still enjoying the same materials and have no expectation that the copies will be returned to them when the person is finished with them. While I agree that we need changes, I think that a lot of people who want changes are moving in the wrong direction because of the attachment to the concepts of physical media. Instead of aiming "with more rights come more responsibilities" at Mary, I think we should start looking at making publishers and content providers more responsible for the rights they already have. For example, let's look at the Steam game platform. Ages ago a statement was made that, should there be a danger of going bye-bye, they would make sure people could still access their games. This has almost taken on urban legend status, because it's hard to find an original source to link, just references to it with no trackable source. However, this was never added to the ToS. My point is this - we can start by legally requiring that DRM systems have some sort of fallback plan. Games can have patches released to remove the server connection requirement. Ebooks, if not released from DRM, could have the licenses internally transferred to a system requiring local authentication only for a final download. Notices can be issued to let people know to download their content if they haven't yet. Part of the problem is that the complaints I hear in real life are from people who want the convenience of, say, Amazon's system of storing their ebook purchases online and being able to read / sync on a plethora of devices, but they want to be able to do what they want with their ebooks. You can't have it both ways. Lending books is important to my mom, so whenever the subject comes up, I tell her to stick with paper. I don't lend... anything, really, so that part isn't an issue for me. My concern is the future health of DRM systems - making sure I have access to my books. Yes, I have changed platforms, but I knew going in that formats / DRM could be a sticking point and acted accordingly. Which brings me to my next point - when someone purchases a Kindle / Nook / whathaveyou device or ebook for the first time, instead of a tiny link to a ToS that no one reads, an explanation of DRM and ecosystems and how they work (the features they add as well as the inherent restrictions thereof) should be presented. It doesn't have to be complicated or lengthy - that's what the ToS is for. My other suggested requirement is that DRM status be clearly listed on the product page of every single ebook. You want people to be responsible - I get that, but publishers and ebook retailers need to be responsible, too, by making sure people can make educated buying decisions on the front end, and making sure that they are handling their systems in a responsible, forward-looking manner. |
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In my view, the problem of controlling illegal distribution of files that can be infinitely copied without loss cannot be managed by enforcing ever-harsher punishments against a vanishingly low percentage of the illegal distributors. It must be tackled in a distributed and social way, by ensuring that each media buyer will want to act in such a way that illegal distribution is prevented. |
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