Jeff Bezos interview - Page 2

kevinp · 09-09-2012, 09:40 PM

Either way, it's all out of my price range. I'm waiting for the price to drop on the Nexus 7.

Apache · 09-09-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

When the part costs $41.50 (for iPad 3), I consider charging an extra $130 to be outrageous.

Triple key is standard markup for most types of retail. Others have even more. Take furniture and eyeglasses for example. Both can have as much as a 6 time markup.
Apache

tubemonkey · 09-09-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Apache

Triple key is standard markup for most types of retail. Others have even more. Take furniture and eyeglasses for example. Both can have as much as a 6 time markup.
Apache

Pricing like that makes me walk away.

tubemonkey · 09-09-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinp

Either way, it's all out of my price range. I'm waiting for the price to drop on the Nexus 7.

I'm also waiting to see how Google reacts to the Fire HD. A price drop would be nice.

HansTWN · 09-10-2012, 12:51 AM

There should be some devices offering top features for a relatively high price. Nothing wrong with that. Those top features will "trickle down" to the lower priced devices very soon. But if we don't have a cutting edge then there will be no progress. For those who don't want to pay those prices, just wait a few months.

frahse · 09-10-2012, 01:08 AM

I don't know how the general public or even the "Kindle attuned" public will act in the long run to Bezos new pricing scheme, but I will say this:

If Steve Jobs had come out with this, people would say "wonderful, a true genius, and storm the stores trying to get one in the right color."

JoHunt · 09-10-2012, 02:05 AM

I find it interesting that he believed that buyers of Kindle Fires would not be willing to pay a premium to opt out of ads, but buyers of the Paperwhite would.

Quote:

How does special offers, or the advertising, play a role in the price point?

We had it on our E-Ink devices, but haven’t had it on the Kindle Fire. For those, it’s very good, no one really buys the non-special-offers version. Everyone buys the special-offers version. There aren’t two versions of this (pointing to the new 7-inch Kindle Fire HD). That was a decision we made because no one is willing to buy the non-special-offers version.

Apache · 09-10-2012, 07:39 AM

Retailers have to charge to stay profitable. Unlike Internet only companies, they have to add on for building rent, employees, utilities, shipping, taxes and many other extras, that are the "cost of doing business".

fjtorres · 09-10-2012, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frahse

I don't know how the general public or even the "Kindle attuned" public will act in the long run to Bezos new pricing scheme, but I will say this:

If Steve Jobs had come out with this, people would say "wonderful, a true genius, and storm the stores trying to get one in the right color."

Chanting "MiMo WiFi, MiMo WiFi" endlessly.
Of course, Jobs would've called the modem feature by some cool trademarked name, like "AirZap", to hide the fact that it's a feature available on other equally good or better devices.

Namekuseijin · 09-10-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kevinp

...it's ONLY $499

No biggee for a multi-millionaire (or is he a billionaire?)

that's the premium model, for millionaires alone. And probably still cheaper than an iPatch.

what? I don't go whining I can't afford a yatch, I just buy a boat and get done with it.

murraypaul · 09-10-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Chanting "MiMo WiFi, MiMo WiFi" endlessly.
Of course, Jobs would've called the modem feature by some cool trademarked name, like "AirZap", to hide the fact that it's a feature available on other equally good or better devices.

Ah, and yet another thread falls to the anti-Apple mob.

fjtorres · 09-10-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

Ah, and yet another thread falls to the anti-Apple mob.

One joke does not constitute a mob.

rkw · 09-10-2012, 01:42 PM

I think the issue here is the KF models are price well above other top of the line models from brands not bearing fruit as a logo. Compare it to the Asus TF700 or the Galaxy Tab 2 or even the Galaxy Note 10.1. And we are talking these makers highest end models such as the Galaxy Note 10.1 with an active digitizer plus all the other "good stuff"..priced will under the 8.9" KF's with 4G. Of course 4G adds cost but I also do not buy the $41.50 number at this point in time the prices must have dropped significantly as every device out there is 4G. Heck there are 4G LTE prepaid phones you can buy for under $200 now and even those are overpriced. I believe Walmart/t-Mobile are selling the Galaxy S II (yeah old model I know with legal issues to boot) for $299. I can grab one today if I wanted.

Amazon has moved from a value added position to boutique pricing while at the very same time on the verge of gaining back pricing control for their core business, books. Must be nice to have this confluence of factors increasing profits.

All of our arguments will be rendered moot should the new KF's, especially those with 4G LTE, are a huge success. There are nice devices, I love the build of my original KF for sure, however it was poorly designed and made internally as Amazon disabled the auto-brightness sensor, the Wifi is borderline horrible, and battery runtime has never been above that "Mendoza Line" of about 4hrs streaming video.

I should add one area which impresses me for the new KF's is the indicated runtime of about 11hrs WHILE streaming video. That would be quite impressive if it is not marketing spin under some theocratic, errrr, theoretical ideal set of conditions. Still not sure it is worthy of that $500-$600 price.

As I mention above the consumer will decide this. But nobody will ever convince me that a device which is fundamentally designed as an entertainment device with, by all appearances, about a 9-15 month support period from Amazon, is worthy of the premium. Remember the original KF, which is what, about 10 or 11 months old, seems to no longer be receiving firmware updates or improvements. Not even restoration of original functions like that brightness sensor.

I really did not mean to rant on the "it's too expensive" bandwagon, I am not that sorta person. However I am disappointed with this path from Amazon. It comes from being a very ardent Amazon customer and supporter since they hit the web. So, I'll stop it because the devices themselves are well spec'd and if built like the original, with the construction of a tank. My KF is far more solid than my more budget minded Asus TF300t for sure.

SeaKing · 09-10-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

One joke does not constitute a mob.

I think we can coin another phrase to go along with the regular phrase "anti-Apple mob" chanting crew. "Thin skinned" crew.

murraypaul · 09-10-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaKing

I think we can coin another phrase to go along with the regular phrase "anti-Apple mob" chanting crew. "Thin skinned" crew.

Shrug. I'm not Apple, so it isn't like it it hurting me, it is just boring. The same posters, basically the same posts, again and again and again. The same 'jokes' ad nauseum.

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09-09-2012, 09:40 PM	#16
kevinp Fanatic Posts: 579 Karma: 3549018 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Device: Kindle Scribe, Kindle PW (10th & 11th gen); Fire HD 10	Either way, it's all out of my price range. I'm waiting for the price to drop on the Nexus 7.

09-10-2012, 12:51 AM	#20
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	There should be some devices offering top features for a relatively high price. Nothing wrong with that. Those top features will "trickle down" to the lower priced devices very soon. But if we don't have a cutting edge then there will be no progress. For those who don't want to pay those prices, just wait a few months.

09-10-2012, 01:08 AM	#21
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,314 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	I don't know how the general public or even the "Kindle attuned" public will act in the long run to Bezos new pricing scheme, but I will say this: If Steve Jobs had come out with this, people would say "wonderful, a true genius, and storm the stores trying to get one in the right color."

09-10-2012, 07:39 AM	#23
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,132 Karma: 89858112 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	Retailers have to charge to stay profitable. Unlike Internet only companies, they have to add on for building rent, employees, utilities, shipping, taxes and many other extras, that are the "cost of doing business".

09-10-2012, 01:42 PM	#28
rkw Old & Busted Hotness Posts: 182 Karma: 1290260 Join Date: Apr 2012 Device: Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0,Asus TF700T, K1-2-3-Fire	I think the issue here is the KF models are price well above other top of the line models from brands not bearing fruit as a logo. Compare it to the Asus TF700 or the Galaxy Tab 2 or even the Galaxy Note 10.1. And we are talking these makers highest end models such as the Galaxy Note 10.1 with an active digitizer plus all the other "good stuff"..priced will under the 8.9" KF's with 4G. Of course 4G adds cost but I also do not buy the $41.50 number at this point in time the prices must have dropped significantly as every device out there is 4G. Heck there are 4G LTE prepaid phones you can buy for under $200 now and even those are overpriced. I believe Walmart/t-Mobile are selling the Galaxy S II (yeah old model I know with legal issues to boot) for $299. I can grab one today if I wanted. Amazon has moved from a value added position to boutique pricing while at the very same time on the verge of gaining back pricing control for their core business, books. Must be nice to have this confluence of factors increasing profits. All of our arguments will be rendered moot should the new KF's, especially those with 4G LTE, are a huge success. There are nice devices, I love the build of my original KF for sure, however it was poorly designed and made internally as Amazon disabled the auto-brightness sensor, the Wifi is borderline horrible, and battery runtime has never been above that "Mendoza Line" of about 4hrs streaming video. I should add one area which impresses me for the new KF's is the indicated runtime of about 11hrs WHILE streaming video. That would be quite impressive if it is not marketing spin under some theocratic, errrr, theoretical ideal set of conditions. Still not sure it is worthy of that $500-$600 price. As I mention above the consumer will decide this. But nobody will ever convince me that a device which is fundamentally designed as an entertainment device with, by all appearances, about a 9-15 month support period from Amazon, is worthy of the premium. Remember the original KF, which is what, about 10 or 11 months old, seems to no longer be receiving firmware updates or improvements. Not even restoration of original functions like that brightness sensor. I really did not mean to rant on the "it's too expensive" bandwagon, I am not that sorta person. However I am disappointed with this path from Amazon. It comes from being a very ardent Amazon customer and supporter since they hit the web. So, I'll stop it because the devices themselves are well spec'd and if built like the original, with the construction of a tank. My KF is far more solid than my more budget minded Asus TF300t for sure.