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05-13-2013, 06:00 AM | #197 |
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No, you are not buying a license when you buy a paper book. You are buying a copyrighted work, which comes with certain use restrictions (e.g. making copies without permission.) However, the physical book is quite literally yours. You can sell it, loan it, donate it to a library, and so on.
No one has the right to enter your home and remove it from your home, even if it was later determined that the store you purchased the book from had, in fact, stolen the books from another source. In other words, the "license" you seem to think books come with cannot be revoked, even if you violated the terms of that license. Thus, it is ownership in the real sense. |
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05-13-2013, 07:27 AM | #198 |
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No, it has to do more with posession of a phyisical object, and calling an ebook purchase "ownership" would not magically transfer that property to an intangible object.
You buy a train or plane ticket, but the line can still deny you passage for various reasons, and it has nothing to do with the fact they can't reach into your wallet and actually take the ticket. They can enforce that the passage is not transferable regardless of what first sale doctrine might say about the piece of cardboard in your wallet. This is what you...and seemingly everyone hung up on "ownership"... are not getting. Calling it "ownership" doesn't NOT magically give you the same rights and properties over an intangible construct as it gives you over a physical object. And it never will, and it never should because the inherent properties are different. Vive la difference. Heck. If the same rules magically did apply, then you would not be able download a second copy, read online or get any other benefit of digital cloud storage. Hey, you lose the copy of a book you 'own' you don't get to walk into a store a grab a free replacement, do you? You want to insist on identical rules without rationale, the you'd have to take it both ways. It's our actual rights over the ebook we need to be working to adjust. We mustn't be deluded and distracted into thinking that a meaningless equating of terms between things that can't be directly equated will magically give us those rights. ApK |
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Be intersting if publishers did an experiment. Like lower the prices of ebooks below the print version and make it DRM free. I'll be curious of sales would go up, down or remain the same.
People can dispute "owernship" as much as they like but I do feel like DRM ebooks are more difficult to lend/sell than a paper book. With a paper book, I can give it to anyone without considering if they own an ereader, if it's compatible with the one they have or if the DRM will allow me to transfer it over to them. |
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Tor have been selling their Books DRM-free for nearly a year now, after previously selling them with DRM. So far they haven't noticed any difference.
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I also note that while some sources have altered their business model by doing stuff like raising prices, or stopping giving so much away for free, or gotten out of the business entirely, I'm not aware of any source who sold books without DRM, and then said "you know, this just isn't working...we're going to add DRM." Places notable for selling books DRM free--O'Reilly, Smashwords, Baen, etc. -- are all still doing it. I think on the whole that says something. Last edited by ApK; 05-14-2013 at 08:09 PM. |
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05-14-2013, 10:47 AM | #203 |
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I buy electronic
Going back to the original question, I don't need any more paper books. I have a wall full of them. If there's a book I want to read, ebook is my only choice, unless it isn't available. it is just too convenient to have the book on several ereader devices.
Yes, I grit my teeth when I see a $14.99 ebook price and I usually wait for a month or so to see if the price goes down. it usually does. I still don't waant to miss a book from a favorite author. in the mean time, there are many good reads for $3.99 or less on Amazon and other book sellers. |
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