OpenInkPot do .lit natively?

socalpimp · 01-25-2009, 11:19 PM

Does OpeninkPot do .lit books natively or do you have to convert them?

Does the original firmware on bebook do .lit? I have a bunch of them.

Thanks

wallcraft · 01-25-2009, 11:52 PM

OpenInkPot (FBReader) does not support LIT directly, but if you use ConvertLIT to "explode" the LIT to an OEB (HTML, images and a .opf file), make a ZIP of these files and rename it .oebzip then FBReader works very well. This is the format I use for almost all my ebooks. Note that you can try FBReader on any Desktop PC. Under OpenInkPot, the number of customization options is reduced but the display engine is exactly the same as the Desktop version.

The standard Hanlin firmware is supposed to support DRM-free LIT but when I tried it on a Baen ebook this did not work well (crashing the device at one point). The best options are to use Calibre (or ConvertLIT and Windows MobiPocket Creator) to convert to MOBI, or Book Designer to convert to FB2. OpenInkPot also reads DRM-free MOBI and FB2 (FB2 can optionally be read using Cool Reader 3, just like the standard Hanlin firmware, if you want).

quickhand · 01-26-2009, 12:36 AM

Another, quicker way is to use Calibre to convert to epub, which OI can open. I also have a bunch of .lit files, so I'm pushing for inclusion of native support as well. Cheers!

wallcraft · 01-26-2009, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickhand

Another, quicker way is to use Calibre to convert to epub, which OI can open.

However, FBReader on OI does not currently read the toc.ncx file. The latest FBReader (0.10.2) does read the TOC, and I agree that when OI gets upgraded to the latest FBReader .epub will be as good or better than .oebzip.

=X= · 02-04-2009, 12:25 PM

couldn't OI use clit and automatically convert the LIT to .oebzip internally?

=X=

HarryT · 02-04-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

couldn't OI use clit and automatically convert the LIT to .oebzip internally?

=X=

Might that not introduce some legal issues for OI? I understand that its legality is questionable in some countries. Perhaps OI might wish to steer clear of such things?

llasram · 02-04-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Might that not introduce some legal issues for OI? I understand that its legality is questionable in some countries. Perhaps OI might wish to steer clear of such things?

They could build and include a copy of ConvertLIT which doesn't include the DRM-stripping code. Or they could integrate the LIT-reading code from calibre, which has no DRM issues and is more robust than ConvertLIT's.

HarryT · 02-04-2009, 01:09 PM

I wasn't just thinking of DRM. Crazy though it sounds, the actual process of format conversion of copyrighted material is illegal in some countries, such as the UK, even for personal use.

tompe · 02-04-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

I wasn't just thinking of DRM. Crazy though it sounds, the actual process of format conversion of copyrighted material is illegal in some countries, such as the UK, even for personal use.

That sound so absurd that I do not believe it. If you make your own lit file then how can it be illegal to convert the file I created?

HarryT · 02-04-2009, 01:23 PM

Absurd, but true, Tommy. Such activities as ripping a CD that you've perfectly legally bought to MP3 format for your iPod, or converting a DRM-free copyrighted book from LIT to Mobi format, are technically illegal in the UK.

It is a completely ridiculous situation, but that's the way it is.

=X= · 02-04-2009, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

... actual process of format conversion of copyrighted material is illegal ...use.

I'm no lawyer nor live in the UK but well presume your correct here.

Having a tool that reads or converts LIT to HTML should not be illegal. It's using the tool to convert Copyrighted that is the illegal act.
So format shifting a LIT file out of copyright should not be a violation.

I think that is what tomp was pointing out.

Also on aside, your previous post makes it sound like you assume all LIT files and other file formats are copyright if that is the case MR is in serious copyright violation.

=X=

tompe · 02-04-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

I'm no lawyer nor live in the UK but well presume your correct here.

Having a tool that reads or converts LIT to HTML should not be illegal. It's using the tool to convert Copyrighted that is the illegal act.
So format shifting a LIT file out of copyright should not be a violation.

I think that is what tomp was pointing out.

Yes, that was my point. You create your own lit file using a text editor or some program you have written. How can it be illegal to transform you creation to something else?

slayda · 02-04-2009, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Might that not introduce some legal issues for OI? I understand that its legality is questionable in some countries. Perhaps OI might wish to steer clear of such things?

Not to be a nit picker but isn't displaying any "electro-magnetic" media onto a monitor changing the format, by the strictest definition of format changing?

HarryT · 02-05-2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =X=

Also on aside, your previous post makes it sound like you assume all LIT files and other file formats are copyright if that is the case MR is in serious copyright violation.

Good heavens, no; what a strange thing to say! That is most definitely not the case.

HarryT · 02-05-2009, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tompe

Yes, that was my point. You create your own lit file using a text editor or some program you have written. How can it be illegal to transform you creation to something else?

For the nit-pickers, allow me to be more specific. It is illegal under UK law to "change the format" of copyrighted material WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

I hope that makes everyone happy

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01-25-2009, 11:19 PM	#1
socalpimp Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: prs505(broken), Bebook	OpenInkPot do .lit natively? Does OpeninkPot do .lit books natively or do you have to convert them? Does the original firmware on bebook do .lit? I have a bunch of them. Thanks

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wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	OpenInkPot (FBReader) does not support LIT directly, but if you use ConvertLIT to "explode" the LIT to an OEB (HTML, images and a .opf file), make a ZIP of these files and rename it .oebzip then FBReader works very well. This is the format I use for almost all my ebooks. Note that you can try FBReader on any Desktop PC. Under OpenInkPot, the number of customization options is reduced but the display engine is exactly the same as the Desktop version. The standard Hanlin firmware is supposed to support DRM-free LIT but when I tried it on a Baen ebook this did not work well (crashing the device at one point). The best options are to use Calibre (or ConvertLIT and Windows MobiPocket Creator) to convert to MOBI, or Book Designer to convert to FB2. OpenInkPot also reads DRM-free MOBI and FB2 (FB2 can optionally be read using Cool Reader 3, just like the standard Hanlin firmware, if you want).

01-26-2009, 12:36 AM	#3
quickhand Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 1202 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Hanlin V3, Sony prs-505, Hanwang n516	Another, quicker way is to use Calibre to convert to epub, which OI can open. I also have a bunch of .lit files, so I'm pushing for inclusion of native support as well. Cheers!

02-04-2009, 12:25 PM	#5
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	couldn't OI use clit and automatically convert the LIT to .oebzip internally? =X=

02-04-2009, 01:09 PM	#8
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I wasn't just thinking of DRM. Crazy though it sounds, the actual process of format conversion of copyrighted material is illegal in some countries, such as the UK, even for personal use.

02-04-2009, 01:23 PM	#10
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Absurd, but true, Tommy. Such activities as ripping a CD that you've perfectly legally bought to MP3 format for your iPod, or converting a DRM-free copyrighted book from LIT to Mobi format, are technically illegal in the UK. It is a completely ridiculous situation, but that's the way it is.

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