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Old 04-17-2014, 03:04 PM   #16
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In a way, for Kindles or any reader without large memory and/or a SD slot, it IS forcing it. With a large library while away from your computer backed up books there is no way without the cloud to get your books onto your kindle. With a larger internal memory or a SD card you can have access to all your books with needing to download them from the cloud. This is a choice made by Amazon to de-emphasize physical storage and push for cloud storage for your devices.
Correction: it only forces those want to have every book ever published at their fingertips (when they're out and about) to move to cloud storage.

The vast majority of users are perfectly capable of stocking their Kindles with a sufficient number of books to tide them over until they get back to their PC-based libraries.

Rather than it being a decision by Amazon to push people toward cloud storage, I simply see it as Amazon recognizing the fact that the bulk of their customers are served very well by the amount of local storage provided. So why make the device more expensive just to cater to the exceptions rather than the rule?
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Correction: it only forces those want to have every book ever published at their fingertips (when they're out and about) to move to cloud storage.

The vast majority of users are perfectly capable of stocking their Kindles with a sufficient number of books to tide them over until they get back to their PC-based libraries.

Rather than it being a decision by Amazon to push people toward cloud storage, I simply see it as Amazon recognizing the fact that the bulk of their customers are served very well by the amount of local storage provided. So why make the device more expensive just to cater to the exceptions rather than the rule?
Because some people would buy them even at a higher price? Because internal storage sometimes/eventually fail and then they would buy a replacement?

By the way DO you know how to move a book from calibre to your Kindle? Calibre can create a much better catalog than Amazon's archive but what I really need is the ability to select a book in that catalog and have it sent to my kindle. If I could do that I wouldn't feel such a need to keep my books with me.
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To build the type of fully redundant system with multiple levels of backup that a commercial Cloud provider has would unquestionably cost you hugely more than simply using a commercial Cloud provider in the first place.

The company I work for has, as one of its many offerings, Cloud storage solutions for people (or rather, for companies) who are indeed "serious about Cloud storage". Believe me, the infrastructure doesn't come cheap.
Sure, it's cheaper.
But I didn't say cheaper, just better.
Price isn't the only metric in build vs buy.

The issues listed above were issues of trust.
If you don't trust the provider then doing your own is far better even if more expensive.
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The issues listed above were issues of trust.
If you don't trust the provider then doing your own is far better even if more expensive.
Trust is the fundamental basis on which the business world operates, and any supplier who was not trustworthy would not stay in business very long. It takes a long time to gain a good reputation, but only an instant to lose it.
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Trust is the fundamental basis on which the business world operates, and any supplier who was not trustworthy would not stay in business very long. It takes a long time to gain a good reputation, but only an instant to lose it.
The business world works off trust *and* fallbacks.
(Nobody sensible bets the farm totally on somebody else. Murphy loves single points of failure.)

But this particular issue is one of paranoia.
Paranoids pay extra. Willingly.
Entire businesses have been built off paranoia.
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Because some people would buy them even at a higher price? Because internal storage sometimes/eventually fail and then they would buy a replacement?
And here I thought the whole point is they (we) are the miniscule minority. Very bad policy for Amazon to go to all that effort and cost for everyone's Kinde just to cater to the tiny minority of people.
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By the way DO you know how to move a book from calibre to your Kindle? Calibre can create a much better catalog than Amazon's archive but what I really need is the ability to select a book in that catalog and have it sent to my kindle. If I could do that I wouldn't feel such a need to keep my books with me.
Um, yes??? calibre has very powerful search features, try i out a little....
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You can build your own cloud storage using free open sourced softwares. That way you are in control of everything.

so you dont have to rely on anyone.
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The cloud storage that Amazon puts your books on is free, and will probably always be free. Plus, who cares if the NSA or someone else knows that I have a copy of Pride and Prejudice, or The Body Farm? Security is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. Millions (possibly) of other Amazon customers do, as well. Plus, Amazon is not actually storing individual copies of books for me, just a pointer the their (one and only) copy of the book. Unless, of course, it is a personal document. Again, anything really sensitive, I wouldn't be putting on the cloud, anyway. Like top-secret documents, etc. or anything I didn't want anyone to know that I had. I wouldn't even put it on my Kindle, probably, in that case, since Amazon could "see" anything on there.
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Amazon is certainly pushing that by first removing the SD slot from their Kindles, then decreasing the amount of memory in their kindles by more than half. It's like they are trying to force you to use the Cloud.
I would buy other devices over Kindle if the Kindle has less storage or no SD slot.
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The Kindle still has plenty of storage, for hundreds of books. How many do you need at one time?
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The Kindle still has plenty of storage, for hundreds of books. How many do you need at one time?
Eleven hundred, to be precise. Well, on average, anyway.
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Eleven hundred, to be precise. Well, on average, anyway.
Yes, I have close to 1000 books on my PW, and still a couple of hundred MB free.
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Yes, I have close to 1000 books on my PW, and still a couple of hundred MB free.
1,000? Wow! My Kindle currently has 14 books on it.
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