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Old 07-13-2008, 06:10 PM   #121
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I think we're muddling up the legal situation and the moral situation .

Something may be ok legally; but not ok morally - that depends on your own code of ethics.
Each individual will have their own view - all equally valid (imho).
If an act is immoral to someone, then it is immoral to them - it's acceptability to others is irrelevant.
But, 'immoral acts' are not necessarily worth getting worked up about, most of us do 'immoral' things on a regular basis .

Morally only applies to acts one performs oneself. One cannot apply one's moral standards to another's actions where those actions do not harm others.

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Old 07-13-2008, 06:45 PM   #122
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Morally only applies to acts one performs oneself. One cannot apply one's moral standards to another's actions where those actions do not harm others.

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Of course you can. If you think some kind of utilitarism is correct for exemple then you can say that others actions are wrong. And of course in consequence ethics it can be right to harm others.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:00 PM   #123
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Of course you can. If you think some kind of utilitarism is correct for exemple then you can say that others actions are wrong. And of course in consequence ethics it can be right to harm others.
And that is where ZAP differs from all other philosophies.

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Old 07-14-2008, 06:17 AM   #124
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Ok, but does this vary based on jurisdiction?
Yes, it does. In the US, for example, one is allowed to publish a photograph of a "street scene" with identifiable people in it. In the UK, one is not allowed to publish such a picture without the permission of the people depicted. Google "Streets" are having to "blur out" faces on their images of the UK for this reason.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:26 AM   #125
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Ramen, you just wanted to start a really big thread, right? This seems like an endless discussion here on MR.

*not getting involved*
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:47 AM   #126
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Ramen, you just wanted to start a really big thread, right? This seems like an endless discussion here on MR.

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Yes and no.

The purpose was not to spam threads but simply to post the news (see the forum section this is in) together with a poll. The reason this is an endless discussion is obviously because it is, as of yet, unresolved. Simply ignoring the problem is stupid as then the hardliners on both sides will take over and MR is a proper forum for such a discussion.

Also, I think the new copyright duration thread is contructive and therefore advances the discussion. Of course, this assumes that the MR readers don't just forget it before the next round.
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:06 PM   #127
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Y Simply ignoring the problem is stupid
I think we are ignoring the discussion. There really is nothing new to say.

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Old 07-15-2008, 06:24 AM   #128
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I'm with Bob. I have an opinion, certainly. But I'm *so* tired of the discussion. And I've heard all the arguments...there really isn't anything new to say.
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